Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 20:29:22 +0000 From: "Dave Cottlehuber" <dch@FreeBSD.org> To: "Mark Johnston" <markj@freebsd.org>, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, re <re@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd-update and pkgbase Message-ID: <c7a4122b-383f-40d4-8b3c-1c966e1eceea@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <aKSgDAqct9o1MiNZ@nuc> References: <aJPGX9zXE3MeiuhP@nuc> <aKSgDAqct9o1MiNZ@nuc>
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> On Wed, Aug 06, 2025 at 05:17:19PM -0400, Mark Johnston wrote: >> The future of freebsd-update post 15.0 isn't totally clear. There have >> been proposals to remove it in 15.0. IMO we can't remove it outright, >> since may be needed in order to upgrade 13.x and 14.x jails on a 15.0 >> host. Hi Mark, This is an excellent point. It is also a shame to lose a simple upgrade utility that is >> well-documented and that many users are familiar with; compare >> "freebsd-update upgrade -r 14.3-RELEASE" with the upgrade instructions >> on the pkgbase wiki page. >> >> pkgbase offers a lot of flexibility but I suspect many users don't need >> it; they need a one-shot "upgrade my system, please" utility that will >> automatically create a boot environment, configure pkg repositories as >> needed for major/minor/security upgrades, fetch packages, and handle >> package installation order (i.e., kernel first, followed by a reboot). Arguably a "pkg-base-update" tool should aim for this level of simplicity anyway. And if pkgbase overall can't provide that, we should address that. >> I don't really think this functionality belongs in pkg itself. So, >> seeing as freebsd-update already handles some of the above, and users >> are already familiar with it, I propose extending freebsd-update to work >> in a pkgbase world. Users would be free to not use it and instead use >> pkg directly if they so desire, but this would provide a simple >> alternative to those who don't want or need that flexibility. >> >> I'm going to try implementing this, if only to see if there are thank-you. This seems like an excellent idea, happy to pilot this. A+ Dave ——— O for a muse of fire, that would ascend the brightest heaven of invention!home | help
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