Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:49:28 -0700 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>, Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org>, Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com>, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: x11@FreeBSD.org,current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: drm-current-kmod now installs sources Message-ID: <D4F1C51E-E39D-45F6-B80E-60D483633C19@cschubert.com> In-Reply-To: <ac5725eddb2410558b825905ed248c4cba86da2d.camel@freebsd.org> References: <67ca217f-b7de-8707-c4de-51e3f895d06f@FreeBSD.org> <bee728a59abb033657a20de4e716698fb2b1c927.camel@freebsd.org> <b2951cc6-e5e8-6c14-6368-41d51f949011@FreeBSD.org> <469b61c7c939b4e70f4304eaeb73eaae9b1d4c9a.camel@freebsd.org> <c3a3eb30-584f-a5f1-18f7-b94a45d20dd7@FreeBSD.org> <20190814192353.166bd3e7d1af44a55a61c915@bidouilliste.com> <c9ade020-92b3-2f78-ddbb-2182ea4b41d2@freebsd.org> <ac5725eddb2410558b825905ed248c4cba86da2d.camel@freebsd.org>
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On August 14, 2019 11:04:20 AM PDT, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd=2Eorg> wrote:
>On Wed, 2019-08-14 at 19:55 +0200, Niclas Zeising wrote:
>> On 2019-08-14 19:23, Emmanuel Vadot wrote:
>> > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:13:48 -0700
>> > John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD=2Eorg> wrote:
>> >=20
>> > > On 8/14/19 9:22 AM, Ian Lepore wrote:
>> > > > This all sounds vaguely wrong, backwards, to me=2E A developer
>> > > > who is
>> > > > using a given module on their build system might want that
>> > > > module to be
>> > > > rebuilt automatically, but only if the build parameters match
>> > > > those of
>> > > > the running build host system=2E
>> > > >=20
>> > > > If my build host is running freebsd 12 amd64 and I'm doing a
>> > > > build for
>> > > > freebsd 13 armv7, I have no interest in automatic rebuilds of
>> > > > an amd64
>> > > > driver module for a different OS arch and version just because
>> > > > that
>> > > > module happens to be installed on the system I use to do
>> > > > crossbuilds=2E
>> > > >=20
>> > > > My objections are theoretical=2E=2E=2E this automation just seems
>> > > > improperly
>> > > > designed to me=2E But it won't actually affect me in any way,
>> > > > because I
>> > > > don't build video driver modules from ports, and I don't run
>> > > > freebsd
>> > > > current on my build host machine=2E Probably the number of
>> > > > people doing
>> > > > crossbuilding is small enough that nobody else is going to
>> > > > object to
>> > > > this "the whole world is amd64" automation=2E
>> > >=20
>> > > You assume DRM is amd64-only when it is definitely not=2E It also
>> > > has
>> > > suitable guards in its Makefile to only build the relevant kernel
>> > > modules on supported architectures=2E
>> >=20
>> > I clearly don't want to spend time to build the drm and radeon
>> > modules
>> > when I'm hacking on arm64=2E
>> > Shouldn't LOCAL_MODULE have ${TARGET}=2E${TARGET_ARCH} as a
>> > subdirectory ? So when you install drm-kmod-* it will only install
>> > the
>> > source in /usr/local/modules/${TARGET}=2E${TARGET_ARCH}/ ? (or
>> > whatever
>> > the correct dir is)=2E
>> >=20
>>=20
>> I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish=2E I might be=20
>> misunderstanding completely, but, at least the drm ports have
>> safeguards=20
>> in their makefiles so they'll only be built for those arches where
>> there=20
>> is support, and only the modules needed, as an example, i915kms=2Eko
>> will=20
>> only be built on amd64 and i386, if that's what you're worried about=2E
>> Regards
>
>I can't understand what you guys are not-understanding=2E New machinery
>has been added that says "if some module source code exists in this
>absolute fixed location on the build machine, then whenever you do any
>kernel build for any OS version or any arch, rebuild that module source
>code so that the the build machine's video drivers stay in sync with
>the build machine's kernel=2E"
>
>Do you not see that for some of us, only a tiny fraction of the builds
>done (maybe none of them at all) involve the kernel for the build host
>machine or the video drivers for the build host machine? And yet, for
>us, every build we do will now inapppropriately rebuild this video
>driver module which has nothing to do with the machine the build is
>targeting=2E
>
>And it's not just about crossbuilds, because it's about versions too=2E=
=20
>Even when a developer is running 13-current and wants their video
>driver rebuilt and installed automatically along with the kernel,
>they're certainly going to want that to happen only when they're
>building 13-current=2E If they're doing a test-build for 12-stable they
>certainly aren't going to want to build and install that video driver=2E
>
>-- Ian
>
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How about build/install when arch is the same as local machine arch?
--=20
Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy=2ESchubert@cschubert=2Ecom>
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The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E
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