Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:22:48 -0500 From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) To: "Ulf Zimmermann" <ulf@z-code.ncd.com> Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD Message-ID: <199602140122.UAA05186@etinc.com>
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>On Feb 13, 19:20, dennis wrote: >> Subject: Re: Frame Relay and FreeBSD >> >On Feb 13, 12:12, Nate Williams wrote: >> >> Subject: Frame Relay and FreeBSD >> >> I *really* like having the firewall features I'm using now. I suppose I >> >> could simply stick my firewall box and whatever external equipment I use >> >> on a separate ethernet segment, although it would require me buying >> >> another ethernet card as well a Cisco or whatever. >> >> >> >> We're trying to do Video Conferencing, and ISDN isn't available in >> >> Montana (and won't be available for quite a while). The only option we >> >> have is F.R., either to our ISP or directly to SRI-Menlo. >> >> >> >> What kind of costs are we looking at here for the networking equipment, >> >> etc.? >> >> >> >> Thanks for any advice you can give, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nate >> >>-- End of excerpt from Nate Williams >> > >> >So far my calculation for FR is: >> > >> >A Frame Relay card: >> > >> >ETinc.: >> > >> >ET/5025 56K/64K $495 >> >V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100 >> >Frame Relay/X.25 $50 >> > >> >or >> > >> >ET5025-16 56K/64K $695 >> >V.35/EIA-530 option (for T1) $100 (per port) >> >Frame Relay/X.25 $200 >> >Dual Port Option $100 >> > >> >or >> > >> >ET5025-25 T1 incl Frame Relay $1095 >> >Dual Port Option $200 >> > >> >You need a CSU/DSU for this card, price for 56K/64K is about $250-$600, for >> >128K-1.5MB price is starting around $700 and up to $2000. >> > >> >Or you take cards from SDL Comm, which have only a Frame Relay driver for >BSDI >> >at the moment. But the cards are cheaper. >> > >> >RISCom/N2s 56K/64K $490 >> >RISCom/N2d dual port 56K/64K $590 >> >RISCom/N2dds dual port with one CSU/DSU on board 56K/64K $650 >> >RISCom/N2csu dual port with one T1 CSU/DSU on board something around $1100 >> >Frame Relay option for BSDI $150 >> > >> >About monthly Frame Relay I can't say anything, but in California I would >pay >> >about $275 for 128K >> >> to clarify this.... >> >> Realize that you get software and support from BSDI (its their >> software)....with our >> product you buy the software (and get the support) from us. >> >> see www.etinc.com/compare.htm for the "biased" poop. >> >> >> BTW..we sell brand-name, high quality CSU/DSUs for (56/64k) 325. and 695. >(T1) >> and lesser quality ones (still better than an on-board CSU) for $190 (56k) >and >> $300. (T1....available any day now). >> >>-- End of excerpt from dennis > >Dennis, > >kick your webmaster that he should update the prices ;-) On the web is still >$725 for T1. Look I have a price of $1100 from SDL Comm for a 2 port card with >CSU/DSU on board and the BSDI Frame Relay option. (Btw. they claim they are >better) Even if I take the smallest card from Etinc I have $495 (card) + $100 >(V.35 option) + $50 (Frame Relay) + $695 (T1 CSU/DSU) = Total of $1340. With >only 1 port and a card there ETinc's web page is saying for 56K/64K (it is some >kind of confusing, to say 56K/64K but offer a T1 option). This $240 more then I >have from SDL Comm, but SDL has no FreeBSD driver. > >I am trying at the moment to get $3000 together, so I can get me Frame Relay >(128K as it looks like at the moment). That is $1009 for PB, $500 for the >provider and rest for hardware I need. I suspect that you've only read the pricelist and not the other 28 pages so that you'd know what you're buying. $725. includes the V.35 cable....$695. without. You wouldn't want to use the ET/5025 for T1, so for T1 it would be $995. + $725. for the first one, about 150 less for subsequent ones. You gotta pay for a mercedes, man. but you're gonna use it every day....get something good. our 56/64k boards have RS-232 interfaces..You can try to run it at T1 if you like. You need V.35 or X.21 or EIA-530 to run T1, which is an add-on option. Our 56k boards have the same RISC processor as our T1 boards...theirs is a clunker. Our dual port card has 2 CPUs on it....so it costs extra. The day that SDL has any product better than ours is the day that I retire. First they dont even have a real protocol engine for FR.....just "wrapper encapsulation". A traceroute on their web site and "server" would suggest that they don't even use their own products. .After 2 years in "beta" with their frame relay its suddenly 'better" than ours... Hehehehehehehehehe, LOL...... Its your money...you get what you pay for...spend it as you like......You can get a Yugo for $250. Do you drive one? Quoting price only (as if all products are created equal) is irresponsible. You're gonna pay (how much?) a month and you're gonna scrimp on your interface? Now lets keep this off the lists 'cause we're just gonna make everyone angry..... db ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX
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