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Date:      Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:40:32 -0700
From:      "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To:        "Brad Knowles" <blk@skynet.be>, "Brett Glass" <brett@lariat.org>, "Rahul Siddharthan" <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>, <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: ORBS vs MAPS
Message-ID:  <NCBBLIEPOCNJOAEKBEAKGEDIJNAA.davids@webmaster.com>
In-Reply-To: <v04220800b59c61ec5cf4@[10.0.1.2]>

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> At 5:48 PM -0700 2000/7/19, David Schwartz wrote:
>
> >  	ORBS consistently attempts to pass email through other
> > people's machines
> >  through the use of spoofed headers. This is illegal in many
> > jurisdictions.
> >  IMO, a single spoofed header is SPAM and network abuse.

> 	No, they don't spoof any headers at all.  In fact, they clearly
> label all the test e-mail they send as being from their testing
> server.

> 	They do try all the same standard tricks on the sender and
> recipient addresses that junkmailers are known to try, to see if the
> machine in question might not properly look inside quotes, or
> mistakenly think that they can trust the claimed envelope sender as
> opposed to looking at the IP address, etc....

> 	However, this isn't spoofing headers.

	So you are saying that if they are testing 'mail.foo.com', they don't try
claiming that their mail is from 'foo@mail.foo.com'? If not, they wouldn't
catch open relays that allow any mail with a local sender address.

	I find that _very_ hard to believe.

	DS



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