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Date:      Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:22:12 +0000
From:      Jason Henson <jason@ec.rr.com>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: My computer keeps crashing
Message-ID:  <1106313732l.51518l.0l@BARTON>
In-Reply-To: <004801c4ff9d$6b9dab60$0501a8c0@SPECULUSHX1THE> (from calculus@softhome.net on Fri Jan 21 04:41:45 2005)
References:  <002801c4ff4d$0ad34880$0501a8c0@SPECULUSHX1THE> <1106283993l.49858l.4l@BARTON> <004801c4ff9d$6b9dab60$0501a8c0@SPECULUSHX1THE>

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On 01/21/05 04:41:45, cali wrote:
>>> Sometimes when I run CPU intensive applications  the system will
>>> crash at seemingly unpredictable times, I have to hard reset the  =20
>>> machine as it
>>> is completely unresponsive, I was running an experiment in console  =20
>>> mode and it showed me the kernel panic:
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>> With those uptimes I would say your heat sink and fan(hsf) is to =20
>> blame. The old idea about amds running hot is kind of crap, any cpu =20
>> will run  hot if not installed correctly or overclocked.  You got =20
>> that white  stuff between the cpu and hsf?
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> I think I recall putting the white stuff in.
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>> I checked your hsf on the net and in silent mode it does not support  =20
>> your cpu speed, though it does in normal higher speed fan mode.  If =20
>> you  have the fan make sure to keep it in normal mode or it may bake =20
>> your  cpu! =20
>> http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=3D33&code=3D005009010
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> Damn! I should have researched this properly when I bought the =20
> heatsink. Thanks for that information, I'm lucky that you noticed =20
> this.
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>> Try this command several times after you boot.  Then after you boot  =20
>> your box do it while under load.
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>> sysctl -a|grep thermal
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>> That will tell you your cpu temp, you'll need acpi on.  If you did =20
>> not  put the hsf on right it will go up and you get problems like =20
>> after 5  minutes or less.  I set my bios heat alarm to go off and =20
>> set a shutdown  temp too. You might want to check that stuff out in =20
>> your bios too.  Go  to amd.com and get that pdf on how to install =20
>> the hsf, I made a mistake  a month ago when I was switching out cpus =20
>> and that was my problem.
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>> Everything else looks good, but do you have some case fans?
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> OK, I think I had better invest in some, or some better cooling.
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>> I moved a  120mm fan over near my cpu and my 100% load temp while =20
>> folding droped  about 10C.  I am overclocked and it was maxing out =20
>> at about 58C or less.  Now it hardly hits 50C, usaully 48C but it =20
>> might go down to 45C  if it is cool in my room.  I wonder how it =20
>> will do in the summer? :)
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> I used that sysctl command you suggested above and it says 55C-55.5C =20
> -- this is for when running underclocked.
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> I rebooted, put the CPU speed back to normal, left the fan on its =20
> dangerously low setting and then ran the program again, whilst =20
> checking the cpu temperature every second with:
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> while [ 1 ]; do sysctl -a | grep thermal; sleep 1; done
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> I observed the CPU temperature rise from a base of 50C at an =20
> approximately steady rate (I should have taken periodic readings too =20
> then I could have made a graph or something). It slowed down at about =20
> 57C (having took about 3-4 minutes to get there) or so but carried on =20
> rising, 58C...58.5C...59C...59.5C... kernel trap 11m33s =20
> (unfortunately I was setting up another process to run on another =20
> console so I never saw the final temperature).
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> This was with CPU thermal throttling enabled and set to 50% in my =20
> bios (although I'm not sure at which temperature it enables as it =20
> doesn't seem to say)
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> I turned the fan up to max, rebooted and ran the program again. The =20
> temperature seemed to stabilise around 52C.
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> Given this information I think it is highly likely that the =20
> temperature hypothesis is correct, and the reason for the crashing.
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> Thanks
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> cali
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>



At 60C it is supposed to throttle, but I think it just crashes.  I =20
think if you put an air duct next to your cpu that runs to a blow hole =20
with a big fan you will get real low temps.  The big fan should be =20
sucking air out of the case if you do this.

Make sure the hsf is mounted in the proper direction too, or it won't =20
work.

If the air leaving your psu is hot you know you need better case =20
cooling.  It should be warm, not hot.

Glad I could help.



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