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Date:      Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:26:09 -0400
From:      dennis <dennis@etinc.com>
To:        Blaine Minazzi <bminazzi@denverweb.net>
Cc:        isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: T1/T3 Upgrade Options?
Message-ID:  <3.0.32.19970712112601.00e16210@etinc.com>

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At 07:45 PM 7/11/97 -0600, you wrote:
>There is a lot of "expensive frugality" on this thread.  I see it in
>customers all the time.
>Many are so concerned with the hardware or upfront cost of a project,
>they never look at the big picture.
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>Oh well, just my  60K worth.

The confusion of a "T3" and what many are using if for is clearly an
issue here. A major issue is that there is no clean solution between
T1 and T3 without co-location (and thats a  scam, becaue a 10Mb/s
ethernet is not really 10Mb/s in the same way that a serial line is).
Many are going to fiber and using either a clocked down line, which
is a great solution because you can use what you need and upgrade
immediately upon notifying your provider, metered T3, which is 
more dangerous (unless you buy our bandwidth manager! :-) ) and
also creates conflicts if there is disagreement on the rate, and
others (like UUNET) provide a full T3 through a cascade FR switch
with a low CIR, which is a scary service because it gives UUNET
the control of whether or not your packets get thrown away by the 
switch...and gives them the opportunity to oversell their bandwidth
in a dangerous way.

It is not "penny-wise and pound foolish" to not want to spend
$60,000. if your requirements are only 4, 6 or 8Mb/s, which is 
the case with many small and medium size ISPs. You should
not need that equipment (and it shouldnt cost what it does),
but there are high performance solutions at these speeds that
will save you big money and not compromise your needs.

Dennis
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>Blaine
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