Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:38:13 +0100 From: "Ronald Klop" <ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will we get a RELEASE-9.1 for Christmas? Message-ID: <op.wo5u5zxq8527sy@ronaldradial.versatec.local> In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9NY9iUVuZnZdhti7hpkQZjiRHKm5zxR6rFthJt-Punrb9Q@mail.gmail.com> References: <201212090318.UAA11257@lariat.net> <50C4A341.9070903@FreeBSD.org> <201212092031.NAA17017@lariat.net> <CAJ-Vmo=YSZKTYsVXdm_%2B11F=Kbimancz6w-Ogqb4ZU2VzQE25A@mail.gmail.com> <201212092215.PAA17770@lariat.net> <CAJ-Vmokhc1jGp0Q511pRjK%2B1Ae0astfqd9B3ykBoGZq%2B76kn6g@mail.gmail.com> <201212101735.KAA02736@lariat.net> <CAJ-VmonG87MQn6GHQuh2pW9msdtSnsbCzVF8AYAuVNb5fp34Ow@mail.gmail.com> <201212102352.QAA09737@lariat.net> <CAN6yY1tf4=HZ1wOKrcsvu2fesHmo2enUJPJ8YoAFn4etCfw9SA@mail.gmail.com> <20121211140043.GB20011@in-addr.com> <CAMXt9NY9iUVuZnZdhti7hpkQZjiRHKm5zxR6rFthJt-Punrb9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:18:44 +0100, Mark Saad <nonesuch@longcount.org> wrote: > So what is the short summary ? The short summary is that nobody knows. The people who can know anything don't say much more than "it's ready when it's ready" and the rest of the people guess from information from various e-mails and other sources which reliability can be doubted. <cynical>And the last few days people are saying that you have to donate to the freebsd foundation if you want a release or better information. ;-)</cynical> Ronald. > From what I can see, the wiki is out of date > again. the ISO are on the master server, and working out to the mirrors. > FreeBSD update is still not updated. Does someone just need to just > update > the wiki with the relevant info ? > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gary Palmer <gpalmer@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 08:06:24PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.net> wrote: >> > > At 04:29 PM 12/10/2012, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> > > >> > >> There's politics in every organisation. There are ego clashes in >> every >> > >> organisation. Sometimes you'll fit in, sometimes you won't. If you >> > >> feel there are issues, find people inside the community who you do >> get >> > >> along well with and talk with them about it. >> > >> >> > >> It sucks, yes. I'm one of those "shut up and code already" types >> and I >> > >> deal badly with politics. >> > > >> > > >> > > Me, too. That's why I have been contributing code quietly through >> others >> > > rather than putting myself out in the front lines. >> > > >> > > In any event -- back to the original topic -- there should indeed be >> better >> > > communications between the Release Engineering team and the >> community. >> > > The time it takes to post updates -- especially as it gets close to >> release >> > > time -- would be recovered many times over because folks like me >> wouldn't >> > > have any need to e-mail regarding status and projected schedules. >> ;-) >> > >> > I whole-heatedly agree... but I know a little about release >> > engineering for a large project, especially when the release team is >> > unpaid and has to honor commitments to $real_job. Release engineering >> > is very detail-oriented and unforgiving. This is not really >> > compatible with part-time work. >> > >> > The RE must be focused, first ans foremost, on getting a release out >> > the door as quickly as possible and not to have any serious problems >> > with that release. This makes it very had to pull bakc and make >> > announcements or even update posted schedules. That is made even worse >> > by hte desire to make such communication accurate or at least useful. >> > Since there is a LOT of guessing involved in pulling together a >> > release (how long will "Joe" take to fix this problem or why are there >> > half a dozen reports of a serious issue with the RC, when no one else >> > can reproduce it or even figure out what part of the system is causing >> > it), RE folks are usually reticent about trying to give out any >> > information since it will most likely be inaccurate. >> > >> > This is why I accept the line that it will be released when it is >> > ready. I really think it's about ready, but not even the head of the >> > 9.1 RE team KNOWS when it will be ready, even if the ISO builds are >> > started. "There is many a slip twixt the cup and the lip." >> >> I don't remember seeing any updates in e-mail, but the >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html >> >> url has been updated. Its a litle out of date now (last update about 2 >> weeks ago), but it does include information on the release of 9.1 and >> what >> is holding it up (specifically getting a minimal set of packages built). >> With the 2 branches tagged (ports and src) it is likely still a matter >> of getting stuff built in a known clean environment. >> >> Gary >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >
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