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Date:      Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:25:36 -0400
From:      Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>
To:        Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>, Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Alexander Kabaev <kabaev@gmail.com>, Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls
Message-ID:  <656256CF-58BF-492B-BA66-49B095407E9A@xcllnt.net>
In-Reply-To: <1434210429.1415.65.camel@freebsd.org>
References:  <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <C88CB169-12FE-4692-92AA-5C7D41BB61DF@FreeBSD.org> <1434210429.1415.65.camel@freebsd.org>

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> On Jun 13, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> wrote:
>=20
> On Sat, 2015-06-13 at 11:38 -0400, David Chisnall wrote:
>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 11:17, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> If you would have told me a year ago that you had a simple scheme =
that
>>> could make 30 years of experience maintaining code for unix-like =
systems
>>> completely worthless I would have been skeptical, but it seems we're
>>> well on our way.
>>=20
>> There is a lot of heckling and unhelpful hyperbole in this thread.  =
Reading the xo_emit format strings takes a little bit of getting used =
to, but the same is true of printf - it=E2=80=99s just that we=E2=80=99re =
already used to printf.  The structured parts (xo_open_container, =
xo_close_container and friends) are clear and descriptive.  The changes =
are fairly invasive, but the benefits are also very large for anyone who =
is wanting to automate administration of FreeBSD systems.
>>=20
>> If you have suggestions for how the libxo APIs could be improved, =
then please let us know - Phil is very reception to suggestions but =
objections along the lines of =E2=80=98it=E2=80=99s not what I=E2=80=99m =
used to and changes sometimes break things so we should never have =
changes=E2=80=99 are not helpful.
>>=20
>=20
> "This is a piece of crap that needs to be excised from the system and
> done a different way" is useful input whether you agree with it or =
not.

Actually: no.

Not only does one not demonstrate an understanding of the problem
by calling it =E2=80=9Ccrap=E2=80=9D and thus leaving the recipient to =
wonder whether
it=E2=80=99s worth his or her time to even respond; the sentence also =
lack a
concrete suggestion and, last but not least, is utter after this was
all discussed on arch@, making it very much one of =E2=80=9Ctoo little, =
too
late=E2=80=9D.

So, not useful at all.

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Marcel Moolenaar
marcel@xcllnt.net




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