Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris H" <chris#@1command.com> To: "Kevin Oberman" <kob6558@gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <9a1694563581bc1c99900e51b870bd07.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <CAN6yY1tw7P1vuhsDT-CaBy5gi%2BkWJ07m322mZkC1foB2-srA-g@mail.gmail.com> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <CADLo83-RtuRE58HORn8ocqRVtcF3ZANJoHh1D8TO=aucwywbQw@mail.gmail.com> <f7a783bba9425aeaf67d94056b49f272.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <CAN6yY1tw7P1vuhsDT-CaBy5gi%2BkWJ07m322mZkC1foB2-srA-g@mail.gmail.com>
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Greetings Kevin, and thank you for the reply. > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Chris H <chris#@1command.com> wrote: >> Greetings Chris, and thank you for your reply. >>> On 31 Dec 2012 19:52, "Chris H" <chris#@1command.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to >>>> post this question: >>>> >>>> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith >>> wrote: >>>> >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > -doc@ is a better choice. >>>> > >>>> >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I >>> noticed >>>> >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this >>>> >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And >>>> >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. >>>> >>>> After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find >>>> myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance >>> scripts, >>>> and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing >>> I'm >>>> not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a CVS >>>> that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, moving >>>> forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging me >>>> for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to address >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Thank you for all your time, and consideration. >>> >>> I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. >> >> That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, >> that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all >> use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I >> asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: >> Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live >> without it. >> Sigh... >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. >> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >> they? > > Have you actually looked at subversion? I have, tho not that recently. > It is designed to be as close > as possible to the CVS command structure. I can't imagine what it has > to do with Windows. It was originally written by the same people > responsible for CVS and I am reasonably certain it was written on a > Unix/Linux system. Linux, actually. There were many arguments that, while it was designed to overcome the perceived shortcomings of CVS, that in the end it also created new ones. I was on the lists. I still have the threads, but have had to archive my INBOX so many times over the years, I wouldn't know which one to unpack, nor would I want to bog down the list with this anyway. :) > > I converted all of my scripts from csup to svn in a matter of minutes. > Converting my source and ports trees to svn took a bit longer, but was > almost all in the time it took to copy the files. An 'svn up > /usr/ports' pretty much replaces 'csup ports-supfile', but runs much > faster. > > All of that said, I still use CVS for on thing, RANCiD. (It is a > system for managing router and switch configurations).It can use > either CVS or SVN, but I keep the data is CVS as there is considerable > advantage to being able to grep through the delta files to looks for > some bit that has long been deleted. (We have about15 years worth of > router configurations in our archive.) But this is a special case. I > would never recommend anyone use CVS for general purpose code > management, (Not sure I'd recommend svn, either, but others are far > more of a change from CVS. > You're making a pretty good argument here -- I hate to admit. > Give it a try: > rm -r /usr/src/* && rm /usr/src/.* && svn co > svn://closest_mirror/base/stable/9 /usr/src > Then replace csup with 'svn up /usr/src' > Then, to update, ` I'm skeptical, but I'll look again. It's been awhile, maybe it's much better than it was last I used it. Thank you for all the helpful tips, and taking the time to respond. Happy New Year, to you, and yours! --Chris > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com >
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