Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:14:49 -0800 From: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com> To: "Hamilton Hoover" <hamilton@twopoint.com>, <questions@freebsd.org> Cc: <mongor@aol.com>, <Tagdot57@aol.com>, <ONYBEAR@aol.com> Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks Message-ID: <003501c05c94$247dbff0$40461418@salem1.or.home.com> References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012010643530.38897-100000@MyFreeBSD.ispchannel.com> <001401c05bc8$0c20d900$40461418@salem1.or.home.com> <3A280418.6E3AB212@twopoint.com>
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as you'll find out, i like to mentally antagonize people with pointed
questions or remarks to get a response from them. it is a terrible flaw in
my personality. i don't like to argue. that's not the purpose of doing it.
i am fascinated with probing into things that many ignore. and if i see
something in anything or anyone, i tend to pry at it until i find out what
it is made of. yes you are absolutely right, i'm single. and i am very
adept at seeing trends before they are apparent to others. although in the
case of MS, it does not take a genius to see where billy boy is headed. if
i had his money, i would probably do the same thing. there are somethings
that i can be very generous with, and others with which i am absolutely
selfish. so i can't blame bill for doing what he has done or intends to do.
he has worked hard to acquire it, and he has everyright to keep it. as
would i.
it took me one hour to install NT. and NT ran just fine. it also took me
that long(er, due to downloading the software, once i figured out that i
couldn't install from the cd's but could from the net) to install freebsd.
i had no trouble installing freebsd from the net. i think i only got it to
run once. i am not sure about this, because i know that i soon went back
and tried to install xfree-4.0. but freebsd didn't run after i switched
versions of the x-window to 4.0. i had the same problem with freebsd that i
had with linux. supposedly the drivers weren't usable for my video card. i
have an ATI RAGE PRO 3D 2X AGP. if there is an easy remedy to this, i sure
would like to know. (supposedly the latest version of 4.0 may work with my
card now. but i have nothing left to test it with to know.) after trying
to figure out what to do with the situation to correct the problem, i gave
up. i tried removing the xfree-4.0 components and reinstall the original
3.3.6. that didn't work and it didn't make sense why not. so that's when i
went out and brought NT. the only reason why i have reinstalled NT so many
times is that i didn't have the right disk set-up for it from the beginning
(and i admit i can't stop tinkering with things). i started out with the
same 640MB (first in a set of four ide's) that i frist used for linux. i
basically removed my root partition from linux [actually freebsd as you'll
see in the second sentence] and replaced it with NT. leaving the other
three disks for freebsd. actually, let me correct that.. i had already
removed linux and replaced it with freebsd slices, spread over the same four
disks that i initially had linux on. i now have these disks, as follows;
1 SCSI CDROM WITH SOUNDBLASTER16 $20 combined with warranty. came in
handy
i had to replace the soundcard for the one i have now, listening to
jazz out of WARSAW, POLAND!
1 540MB SCSI QUANTUM $15 used exclusively for virtual memory
(against 256mb's ram)
1 640MB IDE WESTERN my very first disk that came with this used
computer. $200
it's now in my second computer; which was actually my first. confused?
all of my computers are used!
the 640 is now back in the original computer. the one i am using now is
actually my fifth
($25) computer (a tower case with four external drive bays). but
because i use it as my primary,
i think of it as the first, even though it is not. ok? clear!
that original computer also now has two very small disks (127 and
245mb's) and one huge old 600mb 5.25"
all of which i got for $15 including two isa cards. i spent another $5
for the speakers i am using now.
they came with a radio card which i used once. i also have 1 IBM PS2
(free), 1 empty AST 486 case
(which the first 1.24gb harddrive came in for $50, and another empty $15
or $20 case with a motherboard
removed but the cards still in the slots. : )
DO THIS SORT OF SOUND LIKE THE TWELVE DAYS OF CHRISTMAS?
you folks have to take me in stride. because even when you think i'm
YELLING, i'm not!
i'm probably LAUGHING, as that is how i spend most of my time anyway,
EVEN WHEN I'M RANTING!
I'M LAUGHING. also, as you should be able to see from this, I AM
VERY CHEAP!!!
that is the main reason why i was so upset about spending my money on
freebsd.
i had been bragging about how terrific linux was. then i (smugly)
expected to have the same level
of enthusiasm for freebsd. i like being smug. i don't like to do
things unless i do so ethusiastically.
so when i am upset, i am equally enthusaistic about it. make sense?
the bottomline is I AM STILL ENJOYING MYSELF ON SOME LEVEL.
either that, or i really am a masochistic fool! i just wish freebsd was
working for me!!
i mean it really sounds great! that's why i brought it! i'm
adventurous, and i like tinkering!
back to the facts!
1 850MB IDE SEAGATE $25 my third used harddisk
2 1.24GB IDE's WESTERN $35 for (the 2nd) one, and $50 for the AST 486
computer
the first one came out of. my second and fifth used disks. same size
different models
1 13.6GB ATA33 WESTERN $119 my only disk purchased new
so as you should have realized, i actually have 9 yes nine harddrives in
two computers.
when i first installed NT, i had five disks in my computer. the 540, 640,
850mb, 1.24 and 13.6gb. three weeks later (2000.10.26), i brought the
second 1.2gb western digital. initially i installed NT to take up all of
the 640. but then i wanted (needed?) fat16 to share files between NT and
everything else i had on my computer. so i reinstalled NT on a smaller
partition, leaving room for a fat16 partition. initially i only wanted NT
to supplement my unix evironment. i never thought i would wind up replacing
unix with NT. i've changed things so much since then, that i've lost track
of the progression. at some point i was using the 540 (formatted as fat16,
since the pagefile.sys can't be compressed; it made no sense to have it (the
540) formatted for NTFS) to share files between NT and linux or freebsd. i
still have linux on the last (4.7gb) partition of my 13.6gb disk; although
it is not functional, that is, bootable. i moved everything of linux there
as a last ditch hope that maybe i might still want to use it at some point.
so rather than just erase it completely, i moved it to space i didn't really
need.
now i have the 850mb, 1.24, 1.24 and 13.6gb drives in my primary computer.
and the 127, 245, 640 and the massive 600mb (5.25") in the second computer.
i have a very small linux system installed on the 127mb (no GUI), windows NT
still on the 640 (which for some reason is not booting now), windows 95 on
the 245mb and i think MSDOS on the 600mb (5.25") none of the disks in the
second computer are booting. so it's basically just taking up space. kind
of like what you guys think of me. ; )
if i now were to install freebsd again, it would be on that last partition.
as freebsd does not seem to have the same problem with booting beyond the
1024 cylinder limit thanks to it's boot manager (which i still have
installed and am still using). i found it rather funny that someone would
actually write me in criticism of my not knowing about some piece of
third-party software for freebsd to give it the compressed filesystem that
comes with NT standard. i clearly used the term `integrated' to define that
particular feature. they must not understand the word `INTEGRATED'! that's
why you have to get third-party software for freebsd, because filesystem
compression is not embeded in the kernel as a filesystem module. you can do
the same thing for windows 95 and 98, at least i think you can. but with
NT, it's standard; no add-on's.
anyway, my final (or at least current until i change it again) disk
cinfiguration is as follows;
3.5" floppy
5.25" floppy $5 also exchangeable with floppy tape drive(also $5)
SCSI CDROM
540mb virtual memory the only fat16 of the lot (also scsi)
850mb c:\ this is the main drive. \winnt etc.
1.22gb d:\ program files that don't have to be put on C drive
personal programs
1.22gb e:\ server program files and sound/voice sdk's, including
staroffice 5.2 and roxen
and all of the sun java sdk's and server
components. just more toys.
13.6gb f:\ only 8.9gb's used for NT. programming languages,
compressed file archives, image libraries and asst sdk's
i just figured out what i will do with that last 4.7gb's. i'll put INTERIX
there with all of the freebsd software that i am currently unable to use
because of the lack of a driver for freebsd's kernel to run my scsi disks.
that way, i'll have the NTFS compressed filesystem and the running the unix
system under NT all on one disk. which is what i wanted in the first place.
thank you for letting me talk this through. i have now answered my dilemma,
much to my satisfaction.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hamilton Hoover" <hamilton@twopoint.com>
To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks
> xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> >
> > it didn't take six days to install NT. I INSTALLED IT IN ONE HOUR,
after
> > spending six days trying to get freebsd to run. freebsd was running
after
> > my first attempt.
>
> Your first attempt took six days? I just started using fbsd three weeks
> ago. I got my first system up and running in one day. I loaded my box
> off the ftp site. It was a very nice experience for me. I have loaded
> many many Win9x/nt systems in the past few years. An nt install should
> only take an hour or so, but getting the damm thing to run right takes
> weeks.
>
again, it loaded and ran with no trouble.
>
> > i am no idiot.
actually my high iq gets me into alot of trouble. the problem is that i am
lazy. i want everything to work just the way it said is was going to. as i
seldom buy anything that doesn't grab my attention. i don't but things for
appearances sake. if it's technically intense, i want it. i brought an
avocet altimeter watch. supposedly because i was going to use it for
hanggliding. i never did. the truth is, i just like it as a toy. i
brought another watch by seiko which was a specialized chronometer. i was a
cyclist at the time. i do like things that are tecnologically advanced.
especially toys. i but them to have fun. and yes i do have a habit of
trying to make everything work without the instructions. i also find that
fun. being bright can be a drawback. it can make you think that everything
will always be easy. most of the time it is, and i can figure something out
without trying. typically, if i can't figure something out on my own, it is
very unlikely that someone can with muchless without the instructions
either. that is unless they happen to be a whole lot brighter than i. i
haven't met too many people who fit that that category. i can usually
glance at something that someone else has been struggling with, for what
seems to them (and me too), for an eternity. and give them the answer in
moments. that is if they can keep up with the explanation. but i am also
good at communicating with children. i just love their curiosity, because i
still function (at 44) with the curiosity of a child. i know that there are
brighter people out there, i just haven't met them personally. i do know
one woman who i went to highschool with. she may? have been brighter than
me. i don't really know for sure. we spent alot of time together. we were
basically the only two (M+F) people who could tolerate eachother. we were
well matched. she did go to harvard law school. but when she got out, she
became a playwrite instead. that doesn't mean she wasn't bright. law just
wasn't her first love. it was her father's. he was a lawyer who later
became a judge. her family was a refuge for me in highschool. math is my
first love, law is my second. i am a right-brained formalist and a
left-brained esoteric. that's what got me into computers back in 1980. i
found that i had a natural and still unexplained gift for determining the
formulas exponential series. i think at that time, they called them
minicomputers back then. it was a honeywell that was over 8 feet long. it
probably had less computational power than the TI85 calculator i have. i
wrote programs in fortran (on punch cards), and quickly learned just how
remedial it was for performing fuctions that required dynamic arrays. i was
doing computations of multidimensional matrices. so i taught myself APL
(aka IVERSON NOTATION). i loved the cryptic notation; it reminded me of the
codes i used to create as child of 9 and 10 years of age. and now the new
HP calculators are even better. i wrote a program on my TI calculator for
balistic coeffecients. another one for designing the airfoil variables from
root to tip, of a specialized hangglider with slotted wings. i wrote
another one for measuring the rate of absorption of insulin over a set
period of time and the corresponding de/accelleration of glucose. i'm
diabetic. i do math for fun, like some people sit around and play
solitaire. although lately i've been wasting all of my time on this
computer. doing nothing in particular, but distracting myself with pretty
polish voices on a jazz station from warsaw, and trying to decifer japaness
webpages to download software (for which language i have no idea of what i'm
doing; it's just fun. while other kids shoplifted, i took to acquiring
chemical encyclopedias and aviation books which weren't mine to have. my
idea of fun does not coincide with most of the people i know.). which is
what i do with math anyway. something has to have my attention, so it might
as well be this. so no, i am no idiot. i just get very impatient with
incompetence. and have absolutely no kindness when misled. that's my
legalism. i want everything by the numbers. precisely! especially when
those numbers involve money.
my first involvement with personal computers, was mcintosh. which at first
i thought was a joke. until i realized just how easy it was to sit down and
do things immediately without training. actually, my first involvement with
automated electronics was an old IBM MAGCARD 2 wordprocessor which i wound
up teaching my girlfriend at the time who was a professional typist (95wpm)
how to use, (I) having never seen one before in my life, or even having sat
at an electronic typewriter. it was in fact after that that i learned about
my intuitive abilities. it's also what got me a job at IBM, though briefly.
you only had to know me at that point in my life (and in fact ever since) to
know that i don't fit the mold. i have always been a nonconformist.
however, when it comes to the things i use, i definately want them to
conform to me.
DID YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT I LIKE THE WRITE? i have a large collection of
writings on religious philosophy which i will probably use my computer and
web site to publish. so no, i am no idiot. you may not like my style. but
don't mistake it for stupidity.
>
> see below
>
> > i tried to install xfree86 version 4.0
> > after having first installed version 3.3.6 or whatever it was that was
the
> > base package. after trying to do that, i nolonger had use of the
> > x-terminal. i tried to remove the version 4.0, but i got nowhere with
that.
> > i didn't want to erase everything that i had installed, just to start
all
> > over again. i had downloaded over 8 GB's of software from the web. i
did
> > not want to go through that all over again.
>
>
> I would suggest you look in the mail list archive and see if somebody
> has had a similar problem. The help is there if you look for it. Instead
> of coming on this list and ripping about fbsd perhaps you should have
> come here first and asked for help. As a new fbsd user I have had great
> ammount of personal success and gotten a great benefit in the list. I
> worked on a project for where I work for six month, when I moved to fbsd
> three weeks ago my problem has been solved. It was that easy to do with
> the help I got from this list and with the fbsd o/s.
>
> >
> > i got freebsd on SEPTEMBER 30. i got WINDOWS NT on OCTOBER 5. after
> > removing the linux boot sector on the disk i wanted to use, it took me
less
> > than one hour to format and install NT. i have been running it ever
since.
>
> Perhaps you should just stay with nt and forget all about unix. you got
> fbsd on sep 6 and your just now getting here? and I'm a little confused
> about your linux boot sector.
>
> > I DON'T WANT TWO SEPARATE OPERATING SYSTEMS, I WANT ONE WHICH WILL GIVE
ME
> > UNIVERSAL COVERAGE OF BOTH WINDOWS AND UNIX.
>
> perhaps you should look at vmware?
the MS INTERIX package seems to give what i want from one (OS) without the
need
for two (separate OS's with a cohsive between them).
and low and behold, it costs less than vmware.
it is designed specifically for NT/2000; not 95, 98 or ME.
>
> THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE
> > MICROSOFT IS INTENDING TO DO WITH INTERIX, WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO THE
> > SERVICES FOR UNIX PACKAGE. THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE! LONG LIVE THE
> > HIGHLANDER `GATES'.
>
>
> as for your aforementioned claim as to not being an 'idiot', you don't
> pass.
>
i like poking fun at people. it's a nasty habit i got from being the first
of four children. the next one is seven years younger than me.
go figure! i also like making puns. i could have resisted the desire to
connect there being only one primary OS and the highlander, but forgive me,
i chose not to. i love temptation. and my mind works (much) faster than i
can type. if you think i'm nuts, you should have the misfortune of being
around me. first of all, you would either love or hate my sense of humor.
there really isn't much of a middle ground with me. and yes at age 44, i
still call me young siblings and give them hell. laughing all the while.
and i don't mind it too much when people (my friends in particular) laugh at
me. so if anything, i hope that you were laughing when you read my previous
emails, or are at least doing so by now. take care, all!
>
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