Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2025 10:04:47 -0600 From: "S. Ross Gohlke" <ross@bisd.ro> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: operation not supported Wayland Message-ID: <fd5c43fc-b75a-41bc-b8fc-9bea1e400f0b@bisd.ro> In-Reply-To: <115011765277810@mail.yandex.ru> References: <11071764173299@mail.yandex.ru> <aa132bd2-24cb-43a6-88ce-bef830ff3c7d@bisd.ro> <200391764598041@mail.yandex.ru> <3644111764683408@mail.yandex.ru> <207781764767464@mail.yandex.ru> <923f73e9-181e-4afa-9686-364fcab88b34@bisd.ro> <48dcc1b8-0157-46c2-803c-2b217a56bf7b@bisd.ro> <115011765277810@mail.yandex.ru>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On 12/9/25 05:04, Леонид Гнездилов wrote: > So! I have done research and investigation)) I found out that the > system installed from the image (date 20251110) runs all applications > in wayland. I checked on 4 motherboards with i915kms (kaby lake and > some other lake))) radeonkms and amdgpu. Starting from 20251124 - > "operation not supported". on any hardware! You just update the > working system and get a non-working firefox, for example. (In > general, most of the software does not work, but the composers > themselves do). > It's the same in 15-Stable. > S. Ross Gohlke - could you upgrade the system and give it a try? I upgraded from 20251106 to 20251204 and I did run into a problem -- I was going to try 20251205 before I reported anything, but not there yet. After upgrade, Firefox (and Thunderbird) refused to launch from the menu. In a panic, I compiled Firefox from ports and got the same result, but this time I tried running it a second time directly from the terminal and it gave me a dialog window offering to launch in Safe Mode, which worked. Safe Mode disables all extensions, hardware acceleration and something else. My extensions were fine, but I had to disable hardware acceleration to get Firefox to launch normally: Settings > General > Performance Uncheck "Use recommended performance settings" Uncheck "Use hardware acceleration when available" I have never seen this setting, I have never used this setting, I don't know if this is due to a change in FreeBSD or Firefox or both. It was the same story with Thunderbird, but Thunderbird did not preemptively provide a Safe Mode dialog when run from the terminal. I had to run "thunderbird --safe-mode" to open it so I could disable hardware acceleration. Some background on my system: Lenovo ThinkPad E14, Intel Core i5-1135G7 vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor=0x8086 device=0x9a49 subvendor=0x17aa subdevice=0x5088 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'TigerLake-LP GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics]' class = display subclass = VGA According to Lenovo, here: https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_E14_Gen_2_Intel/ThinkPad_E14_Gen_2_Intel_Spec.pdf Intel Iris Xe Graphics capability requires system to be configured with dual-channel memory. On the system with single-channel memory, Intel Iris Xe Graphics will function as Intel UHD Graphics Since E14 only has one memory slot, I must be consigned to UHD Graphics, but I have no clue as to the implications. The final important detail is that I recently upgraded from 16GB to 32GB (used) RAM, after upgrade to 20251106 but before upgrade to 20251204. Regards, Ross > ---------------- > To whom: freebsd-current@freebsd.org (freebsd-current@freebsd.org ); > Subject: operation not supported by Wayland; > 04.12.2025, 16:51, "S. Ross Gohlke" <ross@bisd.ro>: > > On 12/4/25 07:26, S. Ross Gohlke wrote: > > On 12/3/25 07:23, Leonid Gnezdilov wrote: > > You won't believe it - I installed 15.0-STABLE and the > same thing happened again. I'm already starting to think > it's the computer hardware. Although it worked until > 11/24/2025. > GPU-firmware-intel-kmod-geminilake and i915_kms are used > (different versions, latest, 61, 515) > ---------------- > To: S. Ross Gohlke (ross@bisd.ro ), > freebsd-current@freebsd.org (freebsd-current@freebsd.org ); > Subject: operation not supported by Wayland; > 02.12.2025, 17:05, "Leonid Gnezdilov" <comdir@infonix.info > > <mailto:comdir@infonix.info>: > > I installed the system again today, on a different > disk. And it doesn't work! Everything is exactly the > same, "operation not supported". So it wasn't me who > broke the system, but the update.Can this already be > considered a bug? > During the installation, I selected the installation > from the packages (tech preview), maybe this will help > in the diagnosis? The drm-latest module, I tried > drm-515, but it doesn't help. > ---------------- > To: S. Ross Gohlke (ross@bisd.ro ), > freebsd-current@freebsd.org > (freebsd-current@freebsd.org ); > Subject: operation not supported by Wayland; > 12/01/2025, 17:15 p.m., "Leonid Gnezdilov" > <comdir@infonix.info >: > > Today I tried to remove most of the packages, but > I was almost left without pkg)) The result was a > system with fewer packages than with the new > installation. Reinstalled wayland. And what do you > think? Everything is the same, most applications > swear on "operation not supported" Installed foot > and wayfire. By the way, they work. But firefox is > not. I discovered that applications that do not > run use libm.so.5, but do not seem to use running > applications. No other differences are visible > yet. I’ll try to compare on github foot and > alacritty this evening, maybe I’ll find some kind > of pattern. Tomorrow it’s time to try to reinstall > the system)) > ---------------- > To whom: freebsd-current@freebsd.org > (freebsd-current@freebsd.org ); > Subject: operation not supported by Wayland; > 27.11.2025, 19:44, "S. Ross Gohlke" <ross@bisd.ro>: > > On 11/26/25 10:11, Leonid Gnezdilov wrote: > > Hi! > FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT, Wayland. After the > one of upgrade (or after some of my > experiments with the system), many > applications stopped running. Most > applications. Old, probably XWayland, > applications work. Telegram-desktop, a > rox-terminal, browser was able to run - > net-surf. > > Errors during launch vary, but almost > everything is united by "operation not > supported (os error 45)" > Well, yes, Wayland compositors start and > work without problems (hyprland, labwc, > hikari), errors occur when launching > compositors clients - applications. > > I am running a Wayland session on FreeBSD > 16.0-CURRENT pkgbase from a couple of weeks > ago and have not seen these errors. > > Wayfire is the compositor, and my regular app > rotation -- foot, Firefox, Thunderbird -- is > as stable as it has been. I am not using XWayland. > > If there are specific apps you would like me > to check let me know. > > Regards, > > Ross > > % pkg info -x gpu > gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-tigerlake-20230625.1600003 > > % pkg info -x drm | grep kmod > drm-latest-kmod-6.9.1600003 > > Also, here is my relevant environment, excluding XDG. > > SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3 > QT_WAYLAND_DISABLE_WINDOWDECORATION=1 > GDK_BACKEND=wayland > SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland > QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=1 > MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 > QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl > CLUTTER_BACKEND=wayland > QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct > > TMPDIR is mounted tmpfs since default /tmp size might be too small > for programs like Firefox to do anything useful. > > -- > Sincerely, > Leonid Gnezdilov > INFONICS LLC > +7(4712)770-365 > +7(919)210-97-73 [-- Attachment #2 --] <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> <p><br> </p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/9/25 05:04, Леонид Гнездилов wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:115011765277810@mail.yandex.ru"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div>So! I have done research and investigation)) I found out that the system installed from the image (date 20251110) runs all applications in wayland. I checked on 4 motherboards with i915kms (kaby lake and some other lake))) radeonkms and amdgpu. Starting from 20251124 - "operation not supported". on any hardware! You just update the working system and get a non-working firefox, for example. (In general, most of the software does not work, but the composers themselves do).</div> <div>It's the same in 15-Stable.</div> <div> <div>S. Ross Gohlke - could you upgrade the system and give it a try?</div> </div> </blockquote> <p>I upgraded from 20251106 to 20251204 and I did run into a problem -- I was going to try 20251205 before I reported anything, but not there yet.</p> <p>After upgrade, Firefox (and Thunderbird) refused to launch from the menu. In a panic, I compiled Firefox from ports and got the same result, but this time I tried running it a second time directly from the terminal and it gave me a dialog window offering to launch in Safe Mode, which worked. Safe Mode disables all extensions, hardware acceleration and something else.</p> <p>My extensions were fine, but I had to disable hardware acceleration to get Firefox to launch normally:</p> <p>Settings > General > Performance</p> <p> Uncheck "Use recommended performance settings"</p> <p> Uncheck "Use hardware acceleration when available"</p> <p>I have never seen this setting, I have never used this setting, I don't know if this is due to a change in FreeBSD or Firefox or both.</p> <p>It was the same story with Thunderbird, but Thunderbird did not preemptively provide a Safe Mode dialog when run from the terminal. I had to run "thunderbird --safe-mode" to open it so I could disable hardware acceleration.</p> <p>Some background on my system: Lenovo ThinkPad E14, Intel Core i5-1135G7</p> <p>vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor=0x8086 device=0x9a49 subvendor=0x17aa subdevice=0x5088<br> vendor = 'Intel Corporation'<br> device = 'TigerLake-LP GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics]'<br> class = display<br> subclass = VGA</p> <p>According to Lenovo, here:</p> <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_E14_Gen_2_Intel/ThinkPad_E14_Gen_2_Intel_Spec.pdf">https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_E14_Gen_2_Intel/ThinkPad_E14_Gen_2_Intel_Spec.pdf</a></p>; <p> Intel Iris Xe Graphics capability requires system to be configured with dual-channel memory. On the system with single-channel memory, Intel Iris Xe Graphics will function as Intel UHD Graphics</p> <p>Since E14 only has one memory slot, I must be consigned to UHD Graphics, but I have no clue as to the implications.</p> <p>The final important detail is that I recently upgraded from 16GB to 32GB (used) RAM, after upgrade to 20251106 but before upgrade to 20251204.</p> <p>Regards,</p> <p>Ross</p> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:115011765277810@mail.yandex.ru"> <div>----------------</div> <div>To whom: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org">freebsd-current@freebsd.org</a> (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org">freebsd-current@freebsd.org</a> );</div> <div>Subject: operation not supported by Wayland;</div> <div>04.12.2025, 16:51, "S. Ross Gohlke" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ross@bisd.ro"><ross@bisd.ro></a>:</div> <blockquote> <p> </p> <div>On 12/4/25 07:26, S. Ross Gohlke wrote:</div> <blockquote> <div>On 12/3/25 07:23, Leonid Gnezdilov wrote:</div> <blockquote> <div>You won't believe it - I installed 15.0-STABLE and the same thing happened again. I'm already starting to think it's the computer hardware. Although it worked until 11/24/2025.</div> <div>GPU-firmware-intel-kmod-geminilake and i915_kms are used (different versions, latest, 61, 515)</div> <div>----------------</div> <div>To: S. Ross Gohlke (<a href="mailto:ross@bisd.ro" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ross@bisd.ro</a> ), <a href="mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">freebsd-current@freebsd.org</a> (<a href="mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">freebsd-current@freebsd.org</a> );</div> <div>Subject: operation not supported by Wayland;</div> <div>02.12.2025, 17:05, "Leonid Gnezdilov" <a href="mailto:comdir@infonix.info" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><comdir@infonix.info ></a>:</div> <blockquote> <div>I installed the system again today, on a different disk. And it doesn't work! Everything is exactly the same, "operation not supported". So it wasn't me who broke the system, but the update.Can this already be considered a bug?</div> <div>During the installation, I selected the installation from the packages (tech preview), maybe this will help in the diagnosis? The drm-latest module, I tried drm-515, but it doesn't help. </div> <div> </div> <div>----------------</div> <div>To: S. Ross Gohlke (<a href="mailto:ross@bisd.ro" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ross@bisd.ro</a> ), <a href="mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">freebsd-current@freebsd.org</a> (<a href="mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">freebsd-current@freebsd.org</a> );</div> <div>Subject: operation not supported by Wayland;</div> <div>12/01/2025, 17:15 p.m., "Leonid Gnezdilov" <<a href="mailto:comdir@infonix.info" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">comdir@infonix.info</a> >:</div> <blockquote> <div> <div>Today I tried to remove most of the packages, but I was almost left without pkg)) The result was a system with fewer packages than with the new installation. Reinstalled wayland. And what do you think? Everything is the same, most applications swear on "operation not supported" Installed foot and wayfire. By the way, they work. But firefox is not. I discovered that applications that do not run use libm.so.5, but do not seem to use running applications. No other differences are visible yet. I’ll try to compare on github foot and alacritty this evening, maybe I’ll find some kind of pattern. Tomorrow it’s time to try to reinstall the system))</div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>----------------</div> <div>To whom: <a href="mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">freebsd-current@freebsd.org</a> (<a href="mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">freebsd-current@freebsd.org</a> );</div> <div>Subject: operation not supported by Wayland;</div> <div>27.11.2025, 19:44, "S. Ross Gohlke" <<a href="mailto:ross@bisd.ro" rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ross@bisd.ro</a>>:</div> <blockquote> <p>On 11/26/25 10:11, Leonid Gnezdilov wrote:</p> <blockquote> <div> <div> <div style="box-sizing:border-box"> <div style="border-radius:0px 3px 3px 0px;box-sizing:border-box;min-width:0px;padding:10px;vertical-align:top;width:1422.39px"> <div style="box-sizing:border-box;height:156.547px"> <div style="box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px"> <div style="box-sizing:border-box"> <div> <div style="box-sizing:border-box"> <div style="box-sizing:border-box">Hi!</div> <div style="box-sizing:border-box">FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT, Wayland. After the one of upgrade (or after some of my experiments with the system), many applications stopped running. Most applications. Old, probably XWayland, applications work. Telegram-desktop, a rox-terminal, browser was able to run - net-surf.<br style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px"> <br style="box-sizing:border-box"> Errors during launch vary, but almost everything is united by "operation not supported (os error 45)"</div> <div style="box-sizing:border-box">Well, yes, Wayland compositors start and work without problems (hyprland, labwc, hikari), errors occur when launching compositors clients - applications.</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p>I am running a Wayland session on FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT pkgbase from a couple of weeks ago and have not seen these errors.</p> <p>Wayfire is the compositor, and my regular app rotation -- foot, Firefox, Thunderbird -- is as stable as it has been. I am not using XWayland.</p> <p>If there are specific apps you would like me to check let me know.</p> <p>Regards,</p> <p>Ross </p> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>% pkg info -x gpu<br> gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-tigerlake-20230625.1600003</p> <p>% pkg info -x drm | grep kmod<br> drm-latest-kmod-6.9.1600003</p> </blockquote> <p>Also, here is my relevant environment, excluding XDG.</p> <p>SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3<br> QT_WAYLAND_DISABLE_WINDOWDECORATION=1<br> GDK_BACKEND=wayland<br> SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland<br> QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=1<br> MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1<br> QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl<br> CLUTTER_BACKEND=wayland<br> QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct<br> </p> <p>TMPDIR is mounted tmpfs since default /tmp size might be too small for programs like Firefox to do anything useful.</p> </blockquote> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#666666;display:inline !important;float:none;font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal">-- </span><br style="background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal"> <span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#666666;font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:nowrap">Sincerely,</span><br style="background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal"> <span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#666666;font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:nowrap">Leonid Gnezdilov</span><br style="background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal"> <span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#666666;font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:nowrap">INFONICS LLC</span><br style="background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal"> <span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#666666;font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:nowrap">+7(4712)770-365</span><br style="background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal"> <span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#666666;font-family:monospace;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:nowrap">+7(919)210-97-73</span></div> <div> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html>help
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