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Date:      Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:40:11 -0500
From:      stan <stanb@awod.com>
To:        Danny Pansters <danny@ricin.com>
Cc:        Free BSD Questions list <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Kernel Panic on 4.5 STABLE
Message-ID:  <20020209234011.GA8934@teddy.fas.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020209222812.50D8824D28@mail.ricin.net>
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On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 11:28:34PM +0100, Danny Pansters wrote:
> On Saturday 09 February 2002 20:20, you wrote:
> 
> > A strings on the kernel.GENERIC confirms that it is a 4.4 RELEASE
> > kernel.
> 
> I noted that changing MAXUSERS didn't help. I have a couple of 
> questions:
> 
> 1. which periodic is running when the panic occurs, eg daily, weekly ?
>    do you know which script is running when it happens, it may help   
>    to put some extra echos in them to find out 

daily, and I have run each of it's script by hadn. This does not cause the
panic. This makes it a little hard to determine, just which script is trigering it.

I set perodic to log, istead of maul, since the mail was getting clobered
by the panics. The last message I get is about last dumps. But because of 
buffering I'm pretty certain it's not the next script thta trigers the panic.

I _suspect_ it's the statuss_metwork script, based mainly upon the fact that
the process that is executing when the panic occurs is _alwways_ ipfw.

> 2. what services do you run?

A lot, nfs, rwhod telnetd, sshd.....

> 3. softupdates enabled?

Yes, and I'm bout ready to give up on thta. I've always thoght
of FreeBSD boxes as being rock solid, but I've had a lot of trouble
with a couple of them. The ommon item to them? softupdates :-(

> 
> Thing is, I have 3 boxes which are all more or less 4.5 (two 
> 4.5-stable, one releng_4_5) and one of them, my firewall/router has 
> paniced/rebooted several times last week, I think 4 times or so. It 
> runs named, squid, ntpd, sshd, nfsd and the usual syslogd etc. I'm 
> starting to wonder if our problems might be related.

I don't run squid, or ntpd, but they certainly sound similar.

>  
> Because this would occur a short while after not seeming to be 
> getting DNS resolving on my desktop box (for which the firewall box 
> is DNS cache and http proxy server), and at one time I saw named 
> running away with 98% CPU before it crapped out, I was of course 
> suspecting named. However, on a server box I'm currently setting up 
> (which has been updated once from 4.4-stable to releng_4_5) named 
> runs just fine albeit its being queried a lot less as its set up to 
> only provide DNS for its own domains which are not publicly 
> accessable yet.
> 
> Yesterday I saw some mentioning in the mailing list archives about 
> named getting upset if the time changes (it gets a negative time 
> interval thats being used internally I'd reckon), I was starting to 
> think that ntpd+named could lead to trouble. IIRC this box (which has 
> been a very solid desktop in the past) had a little peculiarity in 
> that the system time would run slightly too fast. It was an ntp 
> client then but it had no named. I am a bit concerned about this 
> named+ntpd thing as it makes a lot of sense to run ntp on a 
> to-be-colocated server. 

I'm runing a ntp client, but not named, so that is definatley not the
problem I am seeing.

> 
> As I've seen people mention before that nfsd+softupdates may cause 
> problems, I'm wondering if softupdates (which are auto-enabled if 
> someones installs 4.5-REL now) may be causing this trouble under 
> certain circumstances, maybe not just with nfs exports. There was 
> another guy on the list with page faults on 4.5-rel. 
> 
Thanks :-(

BTW, I'm going to copy this back to the list.

Hope you don't mind. I'm getting desperate for some help here.


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