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Date:      Mon, 08 May 2000 14:16:38 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@village.org>
To:        obrien@FreeBSD.org
Cc:        cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/share/man/man4 sa.4 
Message-ID:  <200005082016.OAA79437@harmony.village.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 12:40:31 PDT." <20000508124031.C51871@dragon.nuxi.com> 
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In message <20000508124031.C51871@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes:
: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 01:32:50PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
: > We should just stop arguing about what it has ment historically and
: > say that "rsa0" is the rewind device and the "nrsa0" is the non-rewind
: > device and not worry about renaming of the device entries.
: 
: Nope.  If "r" is raw then it must die like the rest of the "r" devices
: since all devices are raw now. 

No.  I disagree.  It doesn't have to die.  If all that we're doing is
replacing /dev/rsa0 and /dev/nrsa0 with /dev/sa0 and /dev/nsa0 then we
break all the backup scripts in the world.  We do this for a device
that traditionally only been a character device.  We did not eliminate
the character device, we eliminated the block device.  In 3.x MAKEDEV
we didn't even create the block devices for tape drives.

The reason we had to get rid of raw disk devices was because we
eliminated the dual access and people were using dual access.  In
fact, we didn't get rid of the raw devices.  We eliminated block
devices and replaced block disk devices with character disk devices.
With tape, we haven't used block tape devices in a long time, so we
don't have to change anything here.

For disks we had good cause.  For tapes we have no reason to be so
anal retentive.  This is a weak reason for remiving the 'r' in the
device name.

Warner


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