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Date:      Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:12:10 +0100
From:      David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.org>
To:        Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]
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On 2 Aug 2012, at 18:47, Doug Barton wrote:

> Cheap copout. And quite sad, especially coming from a newly elected =
core
> team member.

FreeBSD is a volunteer project.  Our DevSummits are not run by a =
commercial organisation, they are run by volunteers.  I am not being =
paid to organise the Cambridge DevSummit, I am doing it in my spare =
time, as are the other people here.  The resources available are those =
that I can beg or borrow from the university and from other developers.  =
The attendance fee is =A350, which is just about enough to cover the =
costs (we hope).  Comparing this to a professionally organised event =
like an IETF meeting, with large commercial sponsors (the IETF event you =
cite is hosted by Google), and complaining that it comes up short is =
insulting.  Saying 'solutions exist, therefore you must have the time, =
expertise, and resources to deploy them' is insulting.  It is not =
constructive.  If you are willing to make a helpful contribution, then =
it is welcome.  If you are going to complain, yet not offer anything =
constructive, then you are just trolling and I am wasting my time by =
reading your emails, let alone replying.

We have arranged to borrow a decent microphone and camera from the video =
conferencing suite in the department and have planned to use Skype to =
allow remote participation in two sessions.  If you wish to propose a =
more scalable solution that can be easily deployed here by people with =
no prior experience setting up such a system, then please do so. =20

If you feel that you can do a better job organising a DevSummit than the =
people who have donated their free time to organise the ones in the past =
and the ones planned in the next few months, then I am certain that they =
would be very happy for you to assist in the organisation.  If your =
attitude is 'well, I'm not going to do anything, but it must be easy =
because no effort from me is involved so you should do it' then I find =
your attitude personally insulting and unproductive.

David




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