Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:32:45 -0400 From: "Peter C. Lai" <sirmoo@cowbert.2y.net> To: Drew Tomlinson <drew@mykitchentable.net> Cc: Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>, security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELENG_4_4 Message-ID: <20020426143245.A89608@cowbert.2y.net> In-Reply-To: <002d01c1ed3d$32272a20$6e2a6ba5@lc.ca.gov>; from drew@mykitchentable.net on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:12:42AM -0700 References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0204251925130.44982-100000@InterJet.elischer.org> <002d01c1ed3d$32272a20$6e2a6ba5@lc.ca.gov>
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I hope we don't bring up the whole binary patch subject again but in case you aren't trying to be facetious, I would have to state that 4.4 -> 4.5 is a point release and therefore may be a significant change. Just look at how long it takes to run mergemaster when going from 4.4 -> 4.5 and 4.5 -> 4.5. Actually moving from 4.1.1 -> 4.5 is a pretty huge jump too but if you only rebuild world every couple of years for production machines you only have 1 major downtime period instead of many potential ones. A point release can change many things. For example, 4.0 -> 4.1.1? changed the way passwords were stored and look at how many issues people had with that. If patching didn't require rebuilding a large portion of the system, then "patch" may be appropriate, but to production level machines, current patching methods are effectively system upgrades, at least with FreeBSD. At least we aren't talking PHP 4.1 -> 4.2 here :) cheers :) On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:12:42AM -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julian Elischer" <julian@elischer.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:32 PM > > > [snip] > > > We will be moving those on 4.1.1 to 4.4 so that they are all at the > same > > level, but we cannot move them up to 4.5 or 4.8 or whatever for > > at least another 18 months as they don't upgrade production systems > more > > than once on 2 years in general. > > Instead of calling it an "upgrade", call it a system "patch". It just > so happens that the RELENG_4_5 "patch" will ensure that the OS is up to > date on security issues and more! :) > > Cheers, > > Drew > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message -- Peter C. Lai University of Connecticut Dept. of Residential Life | Programmer Dept. of Molecular and Cell Biology | Undergraduate Research Assistant http://cowbert.2y.net/ 860.427.4542 (Room) 860.486.1899 (Lab) 203.206.3784 (Cellphone) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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