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Date:      Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:31:20 +0100
From:      Marc Fonvieille <blackend@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Tom Rhodes <trhodes@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        "Simon L. Nielsen" <simon@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon
Message-ID:  <20041204093120.GA581@nosferatu.blackend.org>
In-Reply-To: <20041203165704.400243a3@localhost>
References:  <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202221228.GG78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041203123606.100fa863@localhost> <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> <20041203165704.400243a3@localhost>

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On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:57:04PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote:
[...]
> 
> Not really sure what the best way to go about getting things
> done around here would be other than:
> 
> Post a list of tasks of mixed sizes,
> Request people (people, not committers not contributors) to grab a task,
> Commit completed work after some minor/major review,
> As one task is completed another is grabbed up.
> 
> Hopefully some others will chime in here and let me know how
> they feel about this.  Perhaps we should 'elect' a temporary
> project manager and just start getting things done.  Perhaps
> that is a bad idea.  I don't know, what does everybody
> think?
> 

I know some TODO lists/pages, let's take one example: the 5.3-R TODO
list, when Hiroki and I wrote it we removed some items to avoid a too
long and scary list, some items still haven't found a person to
work on...
We can do circles during a long time, the problem is not having someone
at the top of the pyramid etc., the problem is having people really
doing the work.  From my point of view this thread is useless, I'd
prefer to see some real patches instead of long talks in the wind.  As
you said (in something I did not quote) there's quite no risk of work
collision, so it's easy for anyone to find something that needs to be
fixed and work on it.  And the more I read this thread, the more I think
we are trying to point the structure of docproj (persons) as responsible
of the current "bad" shape of the doc/ tree.  Frankly, the doc/ tree
shape is not that bad, I'd even add it is in a good shape according to
readers complaints.  So let's improve the docs in committing things and
not in thinking about "what might be a good way of think to find good
ideas to improve things" (hehe I'm not sure my last sentence is in
english).
To be serious, if you want some task/todo lists and some directions, the
doceng@ may take care of this, and since the doceng@ is not busy that
should not be a problem for this team to work on this task.

Marc



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