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Date:      Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:53:37 +0200
From:      Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
To:        Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: pam.conf and r(logind|shd) 
Message-ID:  <200010111753.e9BHrbq87539@grimreaper.grondar.za>
In-Reply-To: <20001011192653.B88648@sunbay.com> ; from Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.org>  "Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:26:53 %2B0300."
References:  <20001011192653.B88648@sunbay.com> 

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> I am going to nuke the PAM support for rshd and rlogind in -current
> tomorrow (local time) if I won't get any objections till that date.

Agreed. login(8) is the right "focus" for PAM in this case.

M

> -- 
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> From: Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.org>
> To: Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>, Mark Murray <markm@FreeBSD.org>
> Cc: Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, security-officer@FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Re: pam.conf and r(logind|shd)
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from rwatson@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 02:28:57PM -0400
> 
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 02:28:57PM -0400, Robert Watson wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 11:19:37AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> > > > In message <20001006201540.B7215@sunbay.com> Ruslan Ermilov writes:
> > > > : I've just committed a fix to rlogind(8) to make it compile without -D
NO_PAM.
> > > > : Now, (in both -current and -stable), to enable rlogind(8) and sshd(8)
 user
> > > > : will have to enable them in both /etc/inetd.conf and /etc/pam.conf.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure that I like changes like this being merged into -stable
> > > > so quickly.  This change I'm having problems understanding, so I'll
> > > > need some time to go look at them and see what I think.
> > > > 
> > > You are (being the Security Officer) don't like the change which
> > > doubly-disables r-foo tools?!  I can't believe that :-)
> > 
> > The change aspects that are worrying are:
> > 
> > 1) Substantial structural change to the authentication path by moving to
> >    PAM for r*, and in the -STABLE branch no less.  This is a comment based
> >    on the clarity of the commit message, so I'm not willing to commit
> >    to more criticism than this, as I haven't read the patches, just the
> >    commit message.  If the code being run is still the same, clearly it
> >    doesn't make much difference.
> > 
> > 2) Additional (and in my mind, unnecessary) authorization point for r*
> >    enabling in /etc/pam.conf.  Is there a reason why it isn't enough to
> >    just have the traditional service toggle in inetd.conf?  We have
> >    entries in pam.conf so that numerous default-disabled features are
> >    enableable without modifying pam.conf, include xdm which isn't even
> >    in the base source tree.  Increasing configuration complexity can
> >    dramatically increase the risk associated with possible
> >    misconfigurations as well as operator frustration, rather than improve
> >    practical security.
> > 
> Actually, I also think that both rlogind(8) and rshd(8) should be PAM-free.
> The reasons are:
> 
> 1) rlogind(8) calls login(1) (with -f if user passed .rhosts authentication),
>    which itself is a PAM-enabled application.  Moreover, the current PAM code
>    in rlogind(8) is broken, if you try something interactive, say pam_unix.so
>    in /etc/pam.conf for `rshd' entry.
> 
> 2) rshd(8) is not suitable for interactive PAM modules, since it does not
>    allocate a pty(4).
> 
> Hence, I am asking Mark for approval to remove the PAM bits from rshd,
> rlogind, and pam.conf.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Ruslan Ermilov		Oracle Developer/DBA,
> ru@sunbay.com		Sunbay Software AG,
> ru@FreeBSD.org		FreeBSD committer,
> +380.652.512.251	Simferopol, Ukraine
> 
> http://www.FreeBSD.org	The Power To Serve
> http://www.oracle.com	Enabling The Information Age
> 
> --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw--
> 
--
Mark Murray
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