Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG> To: Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com> Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG>, Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RE: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up! Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010827171913.45914N-100000@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <200108271943.f7RJhRr24275@earth.backplane.com>
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Matt Dillon wrote: > Sheesh. Everyone is so negative! Well, I'm going to be too. > > I think compared to some of the other things that have been thrown into > -current, the KSE stuff will be the LEAST disruptive. Don't go bashing > Julian for coming up with a reasoned approach to adding them, discussing > the concept at many meetings (including at USENIX), and doing all the > hard work to get it done. He's done a hellof a lot more discussion and > worked with people a lot more any other feature that has been thrown into > -current. He doesn't deserve these kind of responses, not after all the > work that's been done. He's been talking about this for 2 years. TWO > years! With all due respect, I was not attempting to bash Julian. I was raising two classes of concerns that seemed to merit further discussion: (1) technical concerns relating to SMPng, and (2) concerns about the release schedule for 5.0-RELEASE. Neither of these reflects on Julian's work, rather, the environment in which the work is being done, and external constraints on the work that must be considered. Julian has responded with a detailed response addressing these concerns. I think it might be more constructive to consider this discussion in those terms, and avoid concepts like "bash". We know we need to make an informed decision here, which means we need to consider all the options, which may mean discussing the controversial ones. I'm not fundamentally opposed to KSE: I would like to see it in the system as much as you, and am quite aware of the potential benefits. I just want to make sure we don't go three years without a stable release to get there. If the answer to the questions is either fine, or addressible, then we're set. John has expressed a number of concerns with regards to SMPng, and I take those concerns seriously. I'm still reading Julian's response, and will no doubt respond to that later if I have any further questions :-). Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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