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Date:      Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:23:39 +0100
From:      Adam Laurie <adam@algroup.co.uk>
To:        Michael Bryan <fbsd-security@ursine.com>
Cc:        security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/mail/pine4 Makefile (fwd)
Message-ID:  <39D6F48B.EC92A921@algroup.co.uk>
References:  <200009301404.e8UE4xU64460@cwsys.cwsent.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009302338320.29650-100000@jamus.xpert.com> <20000930152917.E25121@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <39D6707D.CEAB26E2@ursine.com>

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Michael Bryan wrote:
> 
> "Crist J . Clark" wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 11:43:20PM +0200, Roman Shterenzon wrote:
> > > Still, I think the default should be "insecure" install, since most
> > > machines are firewalled.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > I guess I am one of the few that thinks we should default off for the
> > good of the newbie user, rather than save the newbie 5 minutes of RTFM
> > to turn on telnet and ftp. Just everyone hope no exploit like the
> > recent SGI telnetd bug is ever found hiding in FreeBSD's telnetd.
> 
> I agree, mainly for the reasons you state --- the newbies that are most
> likely to install with defaults and no tweaking are often those who are
> running in environments where they need the most protection.  The default
> install should be all services off, with an easy means to enable them
> explicitly during and after an install.

You can add my vote to that.

cheers,
Adam
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