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Date:      Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:43:18 +0200
From:      Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net>
To:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Cc:        Henrik Brix Andersen <henrik@brixandersen.dk>, Michael Nottebrock <lofi@freebsd.org>, cvs-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Pav Lucistnik <pav@freebsd.org>, cvs-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/Mk bsd.port.mk
Message-ID:  <20070806074318.q9mw6ulngg00gwsw@webmail.leidinger.net>
In-Reply-To: <20070803204215.GA68620@rot26.obsecurity.org>
References:  <200706281553.l5SFr56i099807@repoman.freebsd.org> <20070802181715.46yikycm8gc8g8kk@webmail.leidinger.net> <20070803125410.GB1062@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <200708032144.57558.lofi@freebsd.org> <20070803204215.GA68620@rot26.obsecurity.org>

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Quoting Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> (from Fri, 3 Aug 2007 =20
16:42:15 -0400):

> On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 09:44:56PM +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote:
>> On Friday, 3. August 2007, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
>> > On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 06:17:15PM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
>> > > Quoting Henrik Brix Andersen <henrik@brixandersen.dk> (from Thu, 2 Au=
g
>> > > 2007
>> > >
>> > > 16:17:10 +0200):
>> > >>> Feature:
>> > >>>  - allow to only register explicit dependencies, disabled by defaul=
t
>> > >>>    (EXPLICIT_PACKAGE_DEPENDS=3Dwhatever_you_want)
>> > >>
>> > >> Can you elaborate a bit on this new EXPLICIT_PACKAGE_DEPENDS feature=
?
>> > >> Perhaps give a usage example or two? :)
>> > >
>> > > What about diffing the output of "make actual-package-depends" and "m=
ake
>> > > actual-package-depends -DEXPLICIT_PACKAGE_DEPENDS"?
>> > >
>> > > Simple Example:
>> > >
>> > > Port A depends upon B
>> > > Port B depends upon C
>> > >
>> > > Without the feature:
>> > >  Port A registers dependencies to ports B and C
>> > >
>> > > With the feature:
>> > >  Port A registers dependendcy to ports B
>> >
>> > Great, then it's just the feature I needed :) Thank you for the
>> > explanation.
>>
>> Not sure this can work reliably enough to be usefule at present, at =20
>>  least for
>> the specific scenario of avoiding unnecessary recompilations. I think the=
re
>> are just too many ports with implicit dependencies, especially in the
>> KDE/GNOME domain.

That's a bug in those ports IMHO. And that's the reason why this =20
feature is not enabled by default.

> Yes.  I'm not even convinced this feature is a good idea.

"Not a good idea" as in "is not usable yet" or as in "it should never =20
be the goal to be usable"? If it is the former, I agree (see above). =20
If it is the later please elaborate (having correct dependency =20
information should always be a good idea, I think the benefits are =20
obvious, aren't they?).

Bye,
Alexander.

--=20
"Irrationality is the square root of all evil"
=09=09-- Douglas Hofstadter

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