Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:51:21 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org> Cc: olli hauer <ohauer@gmx.de>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu Message-ID: <564537F0-8BB5-4036-8A81-0A3D0B179489@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <71571815-CBF3-4B16-BA77-2828B8BA613C@fisglobal.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <5071D6B5.1010609@FreeBSD.org> <B4A82131-4B11-4FE8-839B-FCC45C1D4445@fisglobal.com> <50726C73.10506@FreeBSD.org> <D776ABE7-6C46-4C66-8C6E-159BCD61761F@fisglobal.com> <50732CB1.9080900@gmx.de> <71571815-CBF3-4B16-BA77-2828B8BA613C@fisglobal.com>
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On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Devin Teske wrote: > =85Re-adding the list=85 >=20 > On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote: >=20 >> ... >>=20 >>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" = on-screen is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that = some keyboards may not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but = indeed "Delete" is worse because the implied connotation associated with = the "Delete" key (_someone_ might be confused into thinking "Delete" = will purge the menu from memory). >>>=20 >>> I will play with keycodes. >>>=20 >>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad = suggestion (read why below). >>>=20 >>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather = unfortunately -- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", = "up-arrow", "down-arrow", "F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", = "F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: it doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", = "F14", "F15", or "F16"). >>>=20 >>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using them = instead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when those = keys are pressed). >>>=20 >>=20 >> ... >>=20 >> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry? >> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms = (intel/appel/ppc/sparc ...) >>=20 >> Anyway nice work :) >>=20 >=20 > By golly, I think olli is on to something here! >=20 > What does everybody think about space? >=20 > I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by = anything else). space usually doesn't mean backup to most users. It usually means go = forward or select, so this is a poor match to what other systems do and = therefore to what one might expect joe-random-person to expect. Warner
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