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Date:      Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:15:58 -0700
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        "Chris Coleman" <chrisc@vmunix.com>
Cc:        "Greg Lehey" <grog@lemis.com>, <core@daemonnews.org>, <newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: [dn-core] Re: Daemonnews Magazine
Message-ID:  <006f01c0c7df$cc6b6a80$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104180329520.58715-100000@vnode.vmunix.com>

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That's great - I'm glad you found some value in my ideas!
It's the least I could do after running a review of my book.
I guess I'll be doing the next least thing, and you will be
increasing your subscriber count to 801. ;-)

Ted

PS:  on magazine.daemonnews.org you have
"subscription deadline for receiving issue #3 is March 13"
which is nearly a month back now.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Coleman
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:34 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Greg Lehey; core@daemonnews.org; newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
>Subject: RE: [dn-core] Re: Daemonnews Magazine
>
>
>If you look at the main web page, there is now a link to
>http://magazine.daemonnews.org.
>
>I have added an Advocacy Pack, its only 12 issues and they have to pay
>postage, but its a start.
>
>Thanks for the ideas.
>
>Chris Coleman
>Daemon News
>http://www.daemonnews.org
>Bringing BSD together
>
>On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
>> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Coleman
>>
>> >I am encouraged that people are anxious to receive the magazines and you
>> >won't be disappointed.  They are very high quality and only improving.
>> >
>> >However, I am a bit discouraged by the lack of subscribers.  To be
>> >perfectly honest, we have 800 subscribers, nearly half of them are
>> >International.  I can't see us keeping the print magazine alive if more
>> >people don't take an interest in it.  $24.95 isn't that big a
>price to pay
>> >to have a BSD magazine.  Daemon News has a total of four part time
>> >employees who handle the shipping and office duties, so we
>aren't getting
>> >rich off this.  Everyone else is volunteer.  The magazine is
>expensive to
>> >print and we have had to eat a lot of the cost.
>> >
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>>   Be patient, patient, patient!  I write a regular column for a computer
>> magazine that's local to my hometown and they have been in operation for
>> ten years now and are still mainly being distributed for free.
>I think your
>> doing pretty good if you have 800 subscribers after only a few
>issues being
>> printed, I think it's going to take you 2 years before you
>really get going
>> in terms of subscriptions, hang in there buddy!
>>
>> >FreeBSD has a purported userbase of 2.5 million and 800 subscribers is
>> >what percentage of that?  Add in NetBSD, OpenBSD, Darwin and BSD/OS.
>> >
>>
>> Don't forget that the majority of those users obtain copies of
>FreeBSD for
>> merely the cost of their ISP connection via FTP over the Internet.  How
>> many are regular subscribers to Walnut Creek?  That's the userbase stats
>> you should care about - since those are folks that value FreeBSD
>enough to
>> part with some money for it.
>>
>> >Its time to start advocating.
>> >
>>
>> I'd suggest looking again at the Daemonnews homepage.  Believe it or not,
>> when
>> I first saw in the mailing list that you guys were doing a print
>magazine I
>> went to the website, looking to sign up, and search as I might I couldn't
>> see a scrap of HTML that referred to it.  I checked again, once or twice,
>> over the following months and still didn't see anything so I figured "Oh,
>> another
>> bogus rumor" and forgot about it.
>>
>> I was very surprised to get a promo copy of the magazine a
>couple weeks ago
>> for a magazine I didn't think existed! :-)  (I'm even more
>surprised and a
>> little
>> disappointed that it's issue 3 since I'd like to get a copy of issue 2)
>>
>> Anyway, even today looking at http://www.daemonnews.org there is no menu
>> link to
>> the hardcopy of the magazine at the top menu.  There is a
>sidebar - but you
>> have to
>> click on it to get to the mag, and there's no text in the sidebar saying
>> that it's
>> a magazine.  I'd suggest that right next to the "Get BSD" red
>menu item, you
>> have a
>> "Daemon News Magazine" red menu item.
>>
>>
>> Ted Mittelstaedt                      tedm@toybox.placo.com
>> Author of:          The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
>> Book website:         http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com
>>
>>
>>
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