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Date:      Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:41:44 -0800
From:      Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
To:        "Jonathan H. Ballard" <cybertronix@softcom.net>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: 3.3 to 3.4 changes in Cplusplus affect FreeBSD source
Message-ID:  <20000209124144.F17536@fw.wintelcom.net>
In-Reply-To: <38A1C655.49AF31F8@softcom.net>; from cybertronix@softcom.net on Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 11:56:05AM -0800
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* Jonathan H. Ballard <cybertronix@softcom.net> [000209 12:16] wrote:
> Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > 
> > * Jonathan H. Ballard <cybertronix@softcom.net> [000209 08:51] wrote:
> > > Sound technical advocacy is part of the stand I have taken.  The
> > > reasonable factor I hope appears as we chat about C++ vs C and the
> > > affect of FreeBSD source.
> > 
> > Could we drop this?  There's no 'discussion' to be had, you have 2
> > choices:
> > 
> > a) upgrade the entire system
> > b) install a newer C compiler from the ports tree avoiding a system
> >    upgrade.
> > 
> > Since for some reason 'a' offends you, then I suggest trying option
> > 'b'.
> 
> what happen to
> 
>  c) free to chose  (more alternatives)
> 
> "FreeBSD is Free"

use the port, if you come up with a better solution then use it, don't
expect other to do it for you.

> 
> > >
> > > >From my point of view it appears C++ used to be modularized
> > > and now it is more a tighter knit towards the core
> > > development.  C++ is a language with strictness.
> > > This strictness might not be flexible enough stableness.
> > > (more...)
> > 
> > say what?
> 
> oops
> ...
> this strictness might not be flexible enough in stableness

I resent the fact that you're implying 3-stable is worse than
3.3 without giving any specifics.

> > >
> > > Maybe this should be kept to freebsd-advocacy.
> > >
> > 
> > No it shouldn't, perhaps freebsd-twilightzone.
> 
> let me know when the subscription works

it seems someone subscribed me this morning...

generally the way the lists work is that:

someone posts a question.
one or more solutions are proposed by others on the list.
these other people are thanked.
the thread dies.

someone must have opened a rift somewhere.

> 
> > I'd rather you just drop the subject, again you have several choices:
> > 
> > a) use the port.
> > b) cvsup/upgrade (see: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html)
> > c) use the port.
> > d) look at the change that was made:
> >    (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src) and try to 'backport' it
> >    to your version of 3.3 and recompile it
> > e) USE THE PORT.
> > f) USE THE PORT.
> > g) USE THE PORT.
> > 
> > got it?
> 
> "use the port" means?

It means use a third party application, one not bundled with FreeBSD, this
allows you to upgrade a single component rather than the entire system.

see:
http://www.freebsd.org/ports/
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=egcs&stype=all
http://www.freebsd.org/ports/lang.html

> 
> ack
> it is hard to advocate the technicalness of this reply

Why not? it clearly explains what you have to do to get a working solution.

This isn't advocacy, stop posting on -advocacy.

-Alfred


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