Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:08:46 -0700 From: Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net> To: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com> Cc: Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net>, Jeff Palmer <scorpio@drkshdw.org>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip Message-ID: <20020418180846.F23267@rain.macguire.net> In-Reply-To: <15551.27877.743534.149538@caddis.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 07:03:33PM -0600 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020417230144.032ad390@nospam.lariat.org> <200204171923.g3HJNga58899@freefall.freebsd.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020418095356.024354c0@nospam.lariat.org> <012901c1e725$da237e90$0286a8c0@jeffrey> <20020418154338.D23267@rain.macguire.net> <15551.27877.743534.149538@caddis.yogotech.com>
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* Nate Williams (nate@yogotech.com) [020418 18:03]: > > FreeBSD currently does not enable easy maintainance between critical release > > points for large server environments. Using cvsup to maintain source builds > > for environments like these ( say 400 servers or more ) is not only > > unacceptable without an on staff developer and release engineer, it is > > infeasible. > > > > For those of you who would be quick to note that "Corporations with > > 400 servers should be able to afford a developer and release engineer" > > please note that 400 NT, Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX servers can be > > maintained by a small team of administrators, and do not require these > > extra resources. > > So, for 400 NT, Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX servers you allow a small team, > and for FreeBSD you don't even allow a single engineer? Seems kind of a > double standard. > > And as a long-time administrator, I disagree that FreeBSD is more > difficult to maintain releases across systems. I've done Ultrix, SunOS, > Solaris, FreeBSD, and (ack!) Linux, and I find that FreeBSD is second to > Solaris, but barely so. > > However, Solaris doesn't even provide anything remotely close to what > Brett is asking, and they're getting paid alot for the OS than FreeBSD > is getting paid. > > Nate I think you misunderstood. I meant you don't need release engineers for any of the above, only FreeBSD. FreeBSD might be great, but it doesn't admin itself yet. ;) Consider 4 sysadmins, and 2 release engineers for FreeBSD, as opposed to just 4 sysadmins for NT / Solaris / AIX / HP-UX. -- Benjamin Krueger "Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about." - Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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