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Date:      Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:46:22 -0500
From:      "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com>
To:        Davide Italiano <davide@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Ed Schouten <ed@80386.nl>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: RFC: Remove pty(4)
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Sam Fourman Jr.
On Aug 20, 2014 1:00 PM, "Davide Italiano" <davide@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> One of my personal goals for 11 is to get rid of cloning mechanism
> entirely, and pty(4) is one of the few in-kernel drivers still relying
> on such mechanism.
> It's not possible, at least to my understanding, converting pty(4) to
> cdevpriv(9) as happened with other drivers. This is mainly because we
> always need a pair of devices (/dev/ptyXX and /dev/ttyXX) and
> userspace loops over ptyXX and after it successfully opens it tries to
> open the other one with the same suffix. So, having a single device is
> not really enough.
> My option, instead, is that of removing pty(4), which is nothing more
> than a compatibility driver, and move pmtx(4) code somewhere else.
> The main drawback of the removal of this is that it makes impossible
> to run FreeBSD <= 7 jails and SSH into them. I personally don't
> consider this a huge issue, in light of the fact that FreeBSD-7 has
> been EOL for a long time, but I would like to hear other people
> comments.
>
> The code review for the proposed change can be found here:
> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D659
>
> If I won't get any objection I'll commit this in one week time, i.e.
> August 27th.
>
> --
> Davide
>

I am all for the advancement of FreeBSD, but I for one maintain appliance
products based on 7.x, most of the time I vote for out with the old in with
the new...
But are we certain all options for keeping compat have been explored?

Just my 2c

Sam Fourman Jr.

> "There are no solved problems; there are only problems that are more
> or less solved" -- Henri Poincare
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