Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:26:00 -0600 From: Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> To: Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org> Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head <svn-src-head@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r366186 - in head/usr.sbin: bsdconfig/share/media bsdinstall/scripts Message-ID: <1969D75C-6533-4FD1-B93B-6FFAE593323E@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <f719c9dd-003e-93e8-fc1f-d946f5fc32fe@freebsd.org> References: <202009262324.08QNOjbQ056906@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <58A46C41-07DE-41F4-A3F9-668035347D8B@samsco.org> <f719c9dd-003e-93e8-fc1f-d946f5fc32fe@freebsd.org>
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> On Sep 27, 2020, at 2:41 AM, Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org> = wrote: >=20 > On 2020-09-27 03:38, Scott Long wrote: >>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Rodney W. Grimes = <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BF >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I am the wrong person to answer that question. >>>>>=20 >>>>> In this case, things have not become lame. For instance, the = names >>>>> ervers for se.freebsd.org work fine, but ftp3.se and ftp6.se = records are >>>>> removed. Same for ru.freebsd.org and ftp4.ru. >>>>> I'm merely pointing out that changing ftp.CC.freebsd.org usually >>>>> requires contacting the person(s) maintaining the CC.freebsd.org = zone, >>>>> which is usually not the project. >>>>>=20 >>>>> It's usually people associated with the project in some way, but = who might not be as responsive as cluster admin. These domains have been = delegated, so we have to get the delegated admin to make the changes, = which can take a bit of time to chase down and doesn't lend itself to = easy / automated coping with this situation. >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Just a spitball idea here, but maybe we should consider not = embedding these lists of mirror URLs into the binaries. It seems pretty = straight-forward that the list evolves over time, and that evolution is = not tightly coupled with the updating of the binaries. It sounds like = the pkg and freebsd-update infrastructure use DNS TXT and/or SRV records = to point to the metadata needed to construct a mirror URL list = dynamically. Maybe something similar can be done for bsdconfig? If = it?s not a crazy idea, is there anyone who would be interested in = helping me write a proposal over at arch@? >>>=20 >>> 100% behind that idea! Especially since it seems the project has = lost >>> (some) control over its DNS space, which IMHO, is still an issue, if >>> the people whom DNS zones have been deligated to are not responsive >>> that should also >> Words of agreement don=E2=80=99t help at the moment, though i = appreciate your enthusiasm. Would you he able to help write a proposal = for the arch@ mailing list? >=20 > I think this is the wrong approach, and the better approach is to have = the official installer use download.freebsd.org (which already is = geo-located). I also feel like this is probably something that core and = possibly clusteradm should weigh in on, since it affects how we = distribute FreeBSD. >=20 > My impression was that we were generally trying to move away from = mirrors hosted by various people and organizations all over the world, = where we have little control, to our own mirrors behind = download.freebsd.org. If this is the case, perhaps we should do so in = the installer as well. >=20 I=E2=80=99m totally fine with this. Also, I don=E2=80=99t speak for = core on my own, but I am part of core. We=E2=80=99re trying to = encourage public discussion and participation on these kinds of issues, = so that=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m suggesting that this conversation = should move to an appropriate mailing list. > That said, I'm not opposed to the idea of using DNS SRV/TXT records to = construct mirror lists, especially if we want to keep on using those = mirrors. Scott
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