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Date:      Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:08:22 -0500
From:      Abner Gershon <6731955@gmail.com>
To:        Walter von Entferndt <walter.von.entferndt@posteo.net>
Cc:        freebsd-geom@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: gjournal, turn off automatic synchronization clarification
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Thanks for the tip on cpio -0 (though I may just use ZFS send to tape) and
for the advice regarding ZFS. Everything I have read agrees with you that
ZFS has advantages for jails and VMs. Iocage demands it. I may even do some
scrubs now and then. You are also correct about Linux support in jails as
of 12.2.

Thanks.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 11:34 AM Walter von Entferndt <
walter.von.entferndt@posteo.net> wrote:

> At Samstag, 6. Februar 2021, 13:00:01 CET Abner Gershon
> <6731955@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Appreciate your advice. There seems to be overwhelming enthusiasm for
> > ZFS.
>
> This enthusiasm is justified.  ZFS offers many advantages for your
> setup.
>
> > Maybe I am swimming against the current leaning toward UFS. My
> > reasons are: 1. Have relied on dump backups to LTO tape for the past
> > decade and am very comfortable with dump and restore. Sure, tar would
> > not be hard to learn but will it reliably handle the samba files with
> > names like "Bob's ideas about marketing.doc" correctly?
>
> You can use find(1) & cpio(1)'s -0 option to use zero-terminated
> filenames.
>
> > 2. I have 72 GB ram but am planning to run a Windows guest and Linux
> > guest with Oracle database on behyve as well as a few jails.
> > Concerned ZFS will eat up too much memory.
>
> Adjust the appropiate sysctl(8) knobs to restrict ZFS ARC cache size.
> ZFS dedup & cloning features are especially useful when working with
> jails and VMs.  For Linux guests you don't need a VM anymore, Linux-
> branded jails are now in STABLE, i.e. about to come latest with 13-REL.
> Maybe they are already in 12.2, I don't know.
>
>
> > 3. Not really convinced that "bit-rot" should be a concern. I
> > understand it is real. But, in the past 15 years I can't recall
> > coming across a single corrupted data (pdf, word doc, ledger, mp3,
> > etc) file.
>
> I understand that walking over the street when the traffic lights show
> red is dangerous.  But I never had an accident for over 40 years doing
> that...
>
> > I currently manage about 4TB of data and it grows by about
> > 500 or 600 GB per year. Have been using ext3 and ext4 on debian linux
> > for the past 15 years.
>
> Use 3+-way mirrors or RAID with double/triple parity on disks >8 TB.
> The reason is that on such large disks, the likelyhood of unrecoverable
> & undetected bit errors is astonishingly high.  Without a checksum,
> these are undetected.  ZFS offers strong checksums from platter to
> applications memory.
> --
> =|o)  "Stell' Dir vor es geht und keiner kriegt's hin." (Wolfgang Neuss)
>
>
>



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