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Date:      Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:25:35 -0400
From:      Brian T.Schellenberger <bts@babbleon.org>
To:        Jay Sachs <jay@eziba.com>, Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        stan <stanb@awod.com>, FreeBSD Stable Mailing List <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>, des@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ssh to remote machines problem after cvsup
Message-ID:  <20020709002535.47EA2BB2C@i8k.babbleon.org>
In-Reply-To: <3D2A2A60.4090807@eziba.com>
References:  <20020708152519.O84324-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com> <3D2A2A60.4090807@eziba.com>

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On Monday 08 July 2002 08:12 pm, Jay Sachs wrote:
| Doug Barton wrote:
| > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, stan wrote:
| >>I thought I would repost this with more information.
| >>
| >>I cvsup'd, rebuilt everythign, and ran mergemester this weekend on my
| >>4STABLE laptop. Now I'm having trouble ssh'ing to machines that could get
| >>to before.
| >
| > This is because the default in ssh seems to have changed from "Protocol
| > 1,2" to "Protocol 2,1". The following in /etc/ssh/ssh_config and/or
| > ~/.ssh/config should do the trick for you:
| >
| > Host *
| >   Protocol 1,2
| >
| > DES,
| >
| > 	Can we get this changed back for -stable? In addition to the POLA
| > thread in -security, this is just one of many user complaints on this
| > topic.
|
| There are those of us who consider the protocol switch a good change,
| and a move forward. It seems excessive to wait for the switch to
| 5.0-RELEASE for this change, and somewhere between any two
| 4.X releases seems just about right.
|
| IMO, if (at the *bare minumum*) you don't read and understand UPDATING
| after cvsupping, don't track -STABLE. (It's always struck me as a bit
| oxymoronic to apply POLA criteria to -STABLE).

Surely this is an exageration.  It is surely that true that "zero-tolerance" 
"PONA" principle would overdo it, but surely you'd agree that surprises 
should be avoided unless there's a good reason for them?

That said, changing *back* in stable is a truly extreme POLA violation.  
Argue about whether this was a terribly good idea, but it's done.  Move on.

|
| jay
|
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