Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:34:54 -0700 (MST) From: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> To: attilio@FreeBSD.org Cc: yar@FreeBSD.org, swhetzel@gmail.com, andre@FreeBSD.org, jeff@FreeBSD.org, alfred@FreeBSD.org, anderson@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, dougb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Remove NTFS kernel support Message-ID: <20080207.163454.-1471235838.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <3bbf2fe10802070621h574f5d3kb4fbd86adbab11c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbf2fe10802070613mf2bf3feg5dcb480501fcfbbc@mail.gmail.com> <20080207141820.GR99258@elvis.mu.org> <3bbf2fe10802070621h574f5d3kb4fbd86adbab11c@mail.gmail.com>
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"Attilio Rao" <attilio@freebsd.org> writes:
: 2008/2/7, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>:
: > * Attilio Rao <attilio@freebsd.org> [080207 06:13] wrote:
: > > 2008/2/7, Andre Oppermann <andre@freebsd.org>:
: > > > Eric Anderson wrote:
: > > > > I think Alfred's point is really interesting. How many people that
: > > > > don't use it that say 'axe it' does it take to override 1 person saying
: > > > > 'keep it!'?
: > > >
: > > > The real question is how many people does it take to say 'I'll maintain
: > > > it'? Just one. Without it, it will only bitrot as evidenced by Attilios
: > > > question. NTFS is currently broken, just not as obvious because WITNESS
: > > > didn't track and enforce lockmgr locks.
: > >
: > > Andre catched exactly my point.
: > > The big problem is that we have a list of several unmaintained fs.
: > > NTFS is in this list. The support is not reliable, it is only
: > > available in read mode and eventually bugged.
: > > I'm not sure I want to keep this if nobody wants to maintain it.
: >
: > All I'm saying is that I think this is a bit premature considering
: > the users. Within less than 24hrs we've had a few users reporting
: > in as users, I'm sure the fixes (now that we have some good assertions)
: > are going to be trivial.
: >
: > Why not let it ferment/rot for a release cycle and then see what
: > the story is?
:
: Obviously if we can fix it is better, but axing is an opportunity I
: don't want to leave out and this is why I wanted to poll users about
: this issue. Eventually, if an axing is decided, it won't happen in
: short times but only once all situations for "migration" will be
: probed and finished.
WE SHOULD NOT AXE IT. IT IS TOO USEFUL. VERY RECENTLY IT WORKED VERY
WELL.
There's a lot of other systems in the tree that aren't nearly as
useful that nobody is complaining about that are actually in much
worse shape.
Warner
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