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Date:      Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:28:53 -0700
From:      Jordan K Hubbard <jkh@queasyweasel.com>
To:        Kenneth Culver <culverk@yumyumyum.org>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Drawing graphics on terminal
Message-ID:  <185DF8D6-A1C3-11D7-AE42-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030618151939.U80347@alpha.yumyumyum.org>

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Have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/libh.html

On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 12:22 PM, Kenneth Culver wrote:

>> The principal problem with libh is too many chiefs and not enough
>> indians.  Poor Alex and Max have done a HUGE amount of work on the
>> system but it's large enough in scope that 2 people cannot hope to do 
>> it
>> all by themselves, particularly when there's no relief shift to take
>> things over when they get tired occasionally.  From an architectural
>> perspective, there's nothing which would stop libh from fulfilling all
>> the dreams I've seen laid out here (and a number people haven't even
>> mentioned yet, like scriptable installs or alternate look-and-feels).
>> The principle thing standing in the way of this and every other "let's
>> get rid of sysinstall" effort, for that matter, is a lack of 
>> engineers.
>>
>> This one's a bit like government.  Everyone has an opinion about how 
>> it
>> should work or what it could be doing better, but very few people want
>> to actually get involved in changing it. :-)
>>
> What needs done right now? I havn't seen much on libh recently... 
> where is
> the source at? How can I get a look at it, and a list of what needs 
> done
> so I can help. Just today at work, a friend of mine asked me how to
> install FreeBSD. He had tried it and had no luck whatsoever, so I had 
> to
> walk him through it step-by-step. This would go a long way towards 
> making
> an install process that could, for example, give the user the option 
> of a
> "newbie install" which would be all graphical and pretty with X and
> what-not, and a "experienced install" which would bascially be the same
> installer we have now, only written on top of libh. Anyway, I'm 
> interested
> in helping, I have 2 or 3 nights a week where I could write some code
> after work.
>
> Ken
>
--
Jordan K. Hubbard
Engineering Manager, BSD technology group
Apple Computer



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