Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:43:28 +0100 From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: W Gerald Hicks <wghicks@bellsouth.net>, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Brett or no Brett? (was: Catching up) Message-ID: <19990912114328.A41092@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> In-Reply-To: <19990912110329.M10106@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 11:03:29AM %2B0930 References: <4.2.0.58.19990908090734.04837d40@localhost> <199909090252.WAA01836@bellsouth.net> <19990912110329.M10106@freebie.lemis.com>
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Oh bloody hell.
On Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 11:03:29AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 8 September 1999 at 22:52:54 -0400, W Gerald Hicks wrote:
> >>> I think it's high time you put your
> >>> money where your mouth is. Go away. We're not interested.
> >
> >> I note that you use the royal "we" here. Are you royalty?
> >
> > "We" means at least DES and myself.
>
> And me. I agree entirely.
>
> Should we have a vote? How many people would like to have Brett on
> the list (as a contributor), how many would prefer him to go away (or
> at least shut up)? I don't think he's done anything to merit being
> forcibly removed, but maybe a vote will help him get the message.
Put me in the disagree strongly camp. Brett's asking questions, he's not
flaming anyone, he's hardly frothing at the mouth, as other people have
characterised it, and he's raised interesting points about the precise
relationship between FreeBSD and WC.
I can fully accept that when this was a smaller project it was perfectly
acceptable to have a fairly nebulous and undefined relationship with WC.
They give us 'x' (where 'x' is server space, promotional opportunities,
and, in some cases, employment) and we cater our release schedule around
their release schedule, make sure they're mentioned prominently online, and
so on.
But the FreeBSD project is getting larger, and will continue to do so. There
will come a point where that sort of nebulous and (apparently) not well
defined relationship will need to be made clearer and more explicit. Brett
certainly does not deserve censure for pointing this out.
About the only thing he has done is re-post questions that he's already
asked before. But since the answers he was getting were either (a) not from
people who could actually comment accurately anyway (which is most of us
replying on this thread actually -- if you're e-mail address doesn't end
@cdrom.com and you're not Brett then you can't really add anything useful to
the discussion) or (b) were so well qualified with 'if', 'perhaps', and
'maybe' that they are, to all intents and purposes, useless.
As I've already commented by private e-mail to both Brett and Jordan, they
should be on the phone to one another at this point, trying to sort it out.
And if Jordan hasn't got the time or the inclination to do so then he should
hand the responsibility off to someone else at Walnut Creek to do so.
N
--
[intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed,
non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs
the links.
-- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu>
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