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Date:      Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:54:22 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>
To:        =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mikko_Ty=F6l=E4j=E4rvi?= <mbsd@pacbell.net>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Antti Korpela <antti.korpela@devnet.fi>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 6.0 default pty/tty-limit (256) OFF!
Message-ID:  <20060122235133.Y89461@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <20060121155821.Y73866@spirou.home>
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Mikko Ty=F6l=E4j=E4rvi wrote:

>> I need patch to raise FreeBSD 6.0 default pty/tty-limit (256) UP or OFF.=
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>> shell-production usage, that limit is ridiculous, there must be stop to=
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>> this and put PTY-limits off! I changed my servers operating systems mome=
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>> ago from Linux to FreeBSD thinking that FreeBSD could be more better, bu=
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>> how this can be possible, that so important think like PTYs are limited =
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>> so low?? every UNIX has more ptys.
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> This is a long standing problem, as is evident from kern/25866 [1] from=
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> 2001.  A more recent report is standards/90896 [2], wich also contains a=
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> patch.
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> I'd suggest you try the patch and provide feedback to the bug report.

FYI, there's also a tty_pts.c floating around, based on some work I did at=
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McAfee a couple of years ago, that implements /dev/ptmx and /dev/pts for=20
FreeBSD.  Among other things, it removes the limit on the number pty's, and=
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adopts the Sys V pty naming convention.  While there are upsides and downsi=
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to the naming convention, it does attempt to normalize the way we handle=20
pty's, as well as removing the requirement for root privilege in order to=
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allocate and properly protect a pty.  I have an older version at=20
http://www.watson.org/~robert/freebsd/pts/.  However, it's fairly dated, an=
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may not work due to other changes since it was written (I've not looked to=
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see).  I've tried several times to trick developers into picking it up and=
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doing the last remaining work to make it real -- largely what's required is=
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work on the forward/backward compatibility issue, that and extensive testin=
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and a security audit.  It would be nice to ship 7.x with these changes as i=
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would resolve a lot of problems.

Robert N M Watson
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