Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:22:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bzdik BSD <bzdik@yahoo.com> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: ther peopl ther, Evil People Message-ID: <20010629082252.49013.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com>
next in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
From: Marty Nelson <MNelson@Transdyn.com>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Subject: RE: Lotus Notes vs. Exchange
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:42:17 -0700
Reply-to: "NT System Admin Issues"
<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
I tend to agree with you Roger. Where the configuration files reside
is of
little to no consequence to me. What interests me however is your
statement
that Notes is horrible from an e-mail perspective. I am looking to
upgrade
our current e-mail system (Exchange 5.0) to a more current system I
simply
though Exchange 2000. I didn't even consider Notes, and I'm not even
sure
why. It just didn't occur to me. We are currently an Exchange 5.0
shop, so
the obvious next step to me would be Exchange 2000. The problem I am
having
is that the there are people here, people that make the decisions, that
don't want to go the Microsoft route, simply because it's Microsoft.
What I
was hoping for was to be able to show them that Exchange is better
because....Or if it turns out Notes is better then here's why.
-----------------------------
Marty Nelson, MCSE, MCP+I, A+
Network Administrator
Transdyn Controls, Inc
mnelson@transdyn.com
-----------------------------
I Used to Be Schizophrenic, but We're OK Now
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@peregrine.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Lotus Notes vs. Exchange
I think its important to note that, from an administrative standpoint,
proper procedures either offset or completely eliminate what
Christopher
considers advantages in the Notes model. Also, there is no reason
(unless
you are into that kind of thing) that one needs to consider the
placement of
the configuration settings, and I fail to see a significant advantage
of the
Notes ini file model, considering all other major apps on Windows use
the
registry for configuration.
From an email perspective, Notes is horrible, and apparently not
getting any
better. Although its multiple products, Microsoft's E2k (or 5.5) and
Sharepoint Portal Server, with the same level of development necessary
for
Notes, appears to be able to perform most if not all of the same
functions.
About 2=3 years ago, Exchange surpased Notes in seats, meaninging that
more
people use Exchange than Notes. But that probably doesn't mean a whole
lot.
What should matter is which fits your real and perceived business needs
for
the next few years? That should be the basis for your decsision.
Roger
------------------------------------------------------
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT
Senior Network Administrator
Peregrine Systems
Atlanta, GA
http://www.peregrine.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marty Nelson [mailto:MNelson@Transdyn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:12 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Lotus Notes vs. Exchange
>
>
> Thanks for the responses. Now that I've received a total of
> 2 responses ;)
> what do you all think the overall market percentage lotus
> notes holds is?
> I've heard 30%. I tend to think that's a little high, but then
again,
> that's why I'm asking!
>
> Thanks,
>
> -----------------------------
> Marty Nelson, MCSE, MCP+I, A+
> Network Administrator
> Transdyn Controls, Inc
> mnelson@transdyn.com
> -----------------------------
>
> Nice doggie. - Famous Last Words
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Monahan [mailto:CMonahan@e-travel.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:09 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Lotus Notes vs. Exchange
>
>
> I can't comment as a mail admin, but as a sysadmin and mail
> user I prefer
> notes. Note, this was under v4.5. I haven't been near it since.
>
> User:
> -Synchronisation with remote computer much better.
> -I happen to like the client interface better.
>
> Admin:
> -I prefer to run individual mailboxes instead of a single
> information
> store despited the extra storage. It's easy to see who has
> big mailboxes.
> -Migrating is as easy as stopping Notes, copying the file,
> and starting
> Notes (and probably a change to the directory, aka the 'Name
> and Address
> Book'). You can use an open file manager to back up the
> individual mail
> database files instead of an agent. Actually, for backup we used to
> replication all the mail servers to one server and then stop
> Notes on that
> server to do the backup. The mail admin then had a quick
> place to recover a
> user's mail db from the day before.
> -I think there were two registry entries, performance
> related, for the
> server. Everthing was kept in either the directory or an .ini file.
> -Recovery was as easy as 1)clean install of NT, 2) clean
> install of Notes,
> 3) add Notes server to directory, 4) begin restoring Notes
> db's. Important
> point: Notes is up and running during the db restore process.
> If someone
> tries to access their mail the server says file not found or
> something.
> After the db is restored they get in. I lost one server
> completely and
> while I was restoring the individual databases (step 4 from
> above) users
> whose database file was restored were using mail. The data
> was on three
> tapes, so I had the local drive restoring one tape, and two
> other servers
> restoring to the Notes server over the network from their tape
drives.
> Database were restored in alphabetical order from the three
> tapes. So the
> A's, J's, and R's (roughly) got access to their mail before
> the I's, Q's,
> and Z's.
>
> my nickel
>
>
> hth
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marty Nelson [mailto:MNelson@Transdyn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Lotus Notes vs. Exchange
>
>
> What is the consensus regarding Lotus i-notes vs. Exchange
> 2000 or even 5.5?
> I am forced to ask this, so please try and keep the flames to
> a minimum :).
> Management wants to upgrade our mail system (currently
> Exchange 5.0) to
> something bigger and better (good idea huh!). We currently
> have around 100
> users, as well as a dozen or so external who also use our mail
system.
>
> I want to go the Exchange 2000 route, but as usual, they want
> options. I
> would greatly appreciate your thoughts.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -------------------------------------
> Marty Nelson, MCSE, MCP+I, A+
> Network Administrator
> Transdyn Controls, Inc.
> mnelson@transdyn.com
> -------------------------------------
>
> Murphy's Second Fundamental Law: Before anything can be done,
> something else
> must be done first!
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20010629082252.49013.qmail>