Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 12:53:54 +0200 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSigRt6xqooNPmGmAmyuY-vYCGLym2KzyqPM_t=7YGLcmcw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <517030E8-D079-48DD-AE4B-093E93C8F101@ketas.si.pri.ee> References: <hkttyyfmuguexmliuhmg@ewtn> <sirudbjwrqwlhpzjpfqf@abqv> <517030E8-D079-48DD-AE4B-093E93C8F101@ketas.si.pri.ee>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] ---> i wonder if it's audio hw being crap in idle mode? if so, devs also have same cursewords to shout. just look comments on rtl nic drivers Claude says that at code level,Linux uses more sophisticated mechanisms that FreeBSD does not use.... On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 12:31 PM Sulev-Madis Silber < freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote: > i wonder if it's audio hw being crap in idle mode? if so, devs also have > same cursewords to shout. just look comments on rtl nic drivers > > very funnily this audio chip could ALSO (now actually shouting) be rtl > > <https://www.kimjongrails.com/blog/realtek-the-crab/>; > > i'm not familiar with dac's and sound > > also, that also happens directly from sound card too? > > to me it looks as if something is trying to switch (pre)amp to "quiet" > mode from lack or input but instead this happens > > and it's only fbsd issue? > > sure, not many people use fbsd daily. which is fun, because nowadays you > can have multiple physical machines. each with own os. depends on setup, > quite decent machine could be on verge of being e-waste > > i don't currently do it anymore. but that's because lack of willpower to > properly setup a next laptop. previous one broke years ago. it was new old > stock t60 which i truly used until it broke somehow internally > > so once i get my will back, i just use phones (lol) to ssh into fbsd > > > > On July 20, 2026 3:04:25 AM GMT+03:00, vermaden <vermaden@interia.pl> > wrote: > >Hi. > > > >For a start lets define some TERMS. I use UPPERCASE not to shout - but to > underline a part of the sentence that is needed to be underlined - this is > plain email - I do not have Bold/Underscore/Italic options - keep that in > mind - now - to the core of the issue ... > > > >I always considered FreeBSD OSS audio/sound subsystem superior to all > ALSA/PulseAudio/PipeWire and other dramas from the Linux world ... but not > anymore. > > > >Somewhere between 14.3-RELEASE and 14.4-RELEASE things begin to get > broken - I thought that upgrade to latest and greatest 15.1-RELEASE would > solve my issues - as there were LOTS of sound/audio related things. > > > >I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into this: > > > >% mixer -f ${DEV} vol.volume=+0.05 > > > >... from MUCH MORE friendly syntax. > > > >But these random 'boozing' sounds are just unacceptable ... and I can not > even tell where they came from ... is it OSS problem? Is is PulseAudio > problem? Something in between? Because there is NOTHING in the logs for > audio. > > > >Its also possible to get that file from my personal 'mediafire.com' > account here: > >- > https://mediafire.com/file/jw3cpk8g77rvks2/freebsd-tragic-audio-sound.mp4/file > > > >... and its not some fancy laptop from yesterday ... its a ThinkPad T480 > from 2018 for fuck sake - hardware like that used to run smooth as Carlos > Sainz 'smooth operator' in Singapore GP ... but not anymore. > > > >I do not even know what to add here ... its a message send our of despair > ... as newer releases only made these things worse ... I have been > repeating this over and over again - but its again probably the issue that > 'too less' FreeBSD developers use FreeBSD as their daily > driver/desktop/laptop system. > > > >Sorry to disappoint. > > > >Regards, > >vermaden > > > > > > -- Mario. [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr"><div>---> i wonder if it's audio hw being crap in idle mode? if so, devs also have same cursewords to shout. just look comments on rtl nic drivers</div><div><br></div><div>Claude says that at code level,Linux uses more sophisticated mechanisms that FreeBSD does not use.... </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 12:31 PM Sulev-Madis Silber <<a href="mailto:freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee">freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">i wonder if it's audio hw being crap in idle mode? if so, devs also have same cursewords to shout. just look comments on rtl nic drivers<br> <br> very funnily this audio chip could ALSO (now actually shouting) be rtl<br> <br> <<a href="https://www.kimjongrails.com/blog/realtek-the-crab/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.kimjongrails.com/blog/realtek-the-crab/</a>><br>; <br> i'm not familiar with dac's and sound<br> <br> also, that also happens directly from sound card too?<br> <br> to me it looks as if something is trying to switch (pre)amp to "quiet" mode from lack or input but instead this happens<br> <br> and it's only fbsd issue?<br> <br> sure, not many people use fbsd daily. which is fun, because nowadays you can have multiple physical machines. each with own os. depends on setup, quite decent machine could be on verge of being e-waste<br> <br> i don't currently do it anymore. but that's because lack of willpower to properly setup a next laptop. previous one broke years ago. it was new old stock t60 which i truly used until it broke somehow internally<br> <br> so once i get my will back, i just use phones (lol) to ssh into fbsd<br> <br> <br> <br> On July 20, 2026 3:04:25 AM GMT+03:00, vermaden <<a href="mailto:vermaden@interia.pl" target="_blank">vermaden@interia.pl</a>> wrote:<br> >Hi.<br> ><br> >For a start lets define some TERMS. I use UPPERCASE not to shout - but to underline a part of the sentence that is needed to be underlined - this is plain email - I do not have Bold/Underscore/Italic options - keep that in mind - now - to the core of the issue ...<br> ><br> >I always considered FreeBSD OSS audio/sound subsystem superior to all ALSA/PulseAudio/PipeWire and other dramas from the Linux world ... but not anymore.<br> ><br> >Somewhere between 14.3-RELEASE and 14.4-RELEASE things begin to get broken - I thought that upgrade to latest and greatest 15.1-RELEASE would solve my issues - as there were LOTS of sound/audio related things.<br> ><br> >I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into this:<br> ><br> >% mixer -f ${DEV} vol.volume=+0.05<br> ><br> >... from MUCH MORE friendly syntax.<br> ><br> >But these random 'boozing' sounds are just unacceptable ... and I can not even tell where they came from ... is it OSS problem? Is is PulseAudio problem? Something in between? Because there is NOTHING in the logs for audio.<br> ><br> >Its also possible to get that file from my personal '<a href="http://mediafire.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mediafire.com</a>' account here:<br> >- <a href="https://mediafire.com/file/jw3cpk8g77rvks2/freebsd-tragic-audio-sound.mp4/file" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mediafire.com/file/jw3cpk8g77rvks2/freebsd-tragic-audio-sound.mp4/file</a><br>; ><br> >... and its not some fancy laptop from yesterday ... its a ThinkPad T480 from 2018 for fuck sake - hardware like that used to run smooth as Carlos Sainz 'smooth operator' in Singapore GP ... but not anymore.<br> ><br> >I do not even know what to add here ... its a message send our of despair ... as newer releases only made these things worse ... I have been repeating this over and over again - but its again probably the issue that 'too less' FreeBSD developers use FreeBSD as their daily driver/desktop/laptop system.<br> ><br> >Sorry to disappoint.<br> ><br> >Regards,<br> >vermaden<br> ><br> ><br> <br> </blockquote></div><div><br clear="all"></div><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Mario.<br></div>home | help
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