Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 21:43:54 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Will we ever raise _POSIX_VERSION ? Message-ID: <CANCZdfry4KaX-rTTgMgFRg_VJncANPusJKYfdkanZu=G6=rhiw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfopPay5bdh=8c3Rgc9c%2BPYjUfu-nLEaZ5WdWR=Z6q1BXA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAOtMX2giUwsJmRkod9OZHdXZOBTeECwf8LnGrV52-mkQB2yA%2Bg@mail.gmail.com> <CANCZdfopPay5bdh=8c3Rgc9c%2BPYjUfu-nLEaZ5WdWR=Z6q1BXA@mail.gmail.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Wed, Sep 6, 2023, 9:40 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2023, 8:28 PM Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> I notice that _POSIX_VERSION is still set to 200112L. That's a shame, >> because it prevents zstd from using utimensat and tzdata from using >> strftime_l, even though we implement both of those functions. And who >> knows what programs in ports are keying off of it. What would be >> required for us to confidently raise it to 200809L or later? >> > > The delta between the two is small... > > It would take an exp run to find out... it would also tell you 90% of > what's needed as well as trigger a few false positives where ports are > naughty... > > Also, we should have a new standard that's the first major revision since > 2001... > Nobody has paid someone to do the drudge work of ticking off all the boxes... it's not terribly hard work, just tedious. Especially since there will likely be a few variations in glibc that programs expect too... Warner Warner > >> [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 6, 2023, 9:40 PM Warner Losh <<a href="mailto:imp@bsdimp.com">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 6, 2023, 8:28 PM Alan Somers <<a href="mailto:asomers@freebsd.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">asomers@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I notice that _POSIX_VERSION is still set to 200112L. That's a shame,<br> because it prevents zstd from using utimensat and tzdata from using<br> strftime_l, even though we implement both of those functions. And who<br> knows what programs in ports are keying off of it. What would be<br> required for us to confidently raise it to 200809L or later?<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The delta between the two is small...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It would take an exp run to find out... it would also tell you 90% of what's needed as well as trigger a few false positives where ports are naughty...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, we should have a new standard that's the first major revision since 2001...</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Nobody has paid someone to do the drudge work of ticking off all the boxes... it's not terribly hard work, just tedious. Especially since there will likely be a few variations in glibc that programs expect too...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warner</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Warner</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote></div></div></div> </blockquote></div></div></div>
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