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Date:      Mon, 04 Feb 2002 04:47:57 -0600
From:      Len Conrad <LConrad@Go2France.com>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Testinf for open relays
Message-ID:  <5.1.0.14.2.20020204044043.00bccec8@mail.Go2France.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020204103010.GA1119@raggedclown.net>
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> > > I think he means exactly the opposite - that some servers 'seem' to
> > > accept the message but do not actually relay it.
> >
> > This is true for several MTA's, e.g. Novell Groupwise.
> >

aka, "inputs.someRBL.RBL", suspected as participants in multi-stage relays, 
and blacklisted.

Not to be confused with another kind of "input" at AOL.com, where AOL's 
MX's accept a msg for validrecipient@aol.com, but drop it silently.  :))

FYI, here's the postfix transcript of a relay test by orbz:

==============================================

Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:32:10 +0200 (CEST)
From: MAILER-DAEMON@ns2.MEIway.com (Mail Delivery System)
To: spambox@MEIway.com (Postmaster)
Subject: Postfix SMTP server: errors from sender.orbz.org[205.231.149.53]
Message-Id: <20010913073210.7A2B24D5@ns2.MEIway.com>
X-Virus-Scanned: by VirusGate.MEIway.com
X-UIDL: 300224321
Status: U

Transcript of session follows.

  Out: 220 ns2.MEIway.com - ESMTP - Postfix - ATTN: UCE trespassers will be
      pursued.
  In:  HELO orbz.org
  Out: 250 ns2.MEIway.com
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@orbz.org>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay@orbz.org>
  Out: 554 <relay@orbz.org>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay@orbz.org>
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI>: Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified
      address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay@orbz.org>
  Out: 554 <relay@orbz.org>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay@orbz.org>
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay%orbz.org@localhost>
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<"relay@orbz.org">
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<"relay%orbz.org">
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay@orbz.org@localhost>
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<"relay@orbz.org"@localhost>
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<@localhost:relay@orbz.org>
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<orbz.org!relay>
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<orbz.org!relay@localhost>
  Out: 504 <bounce-ykqVg6QI@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need
      fully-qualified address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<postmaster@localhost>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay@orbz.org>
  Out: 504 <postmaster@localhost>: Sender address rejected: need 
fully-qualified
      address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@[127.0.0.1]>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay@orbz.org>
  Out: 554 <relay@orbz.org>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@[127.0.0.1]>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<relay%orbz.org@[127.0.0.1]>
  Out: 554 <relay%orbz.org@[127.0.0.1]>: Recipient address rejected: Relay
      access denied
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@[127.0.0.1]>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<"relay@orbz.org">
  Out: 554 <relay@orbz.org>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  MAIL FROM:<bounce-ykqVg6QI@[127.0.0.1]>
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  RCPT TO:<"relay%orbz.org">
  Out: 504 <relay%orbz.org>: Recipient address rejected: need fully-qualified
      address
  In:  RSET
  Out: 250 Ok

Session aborted, reason: lost connection

==============================================

Len


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