Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:35:45 +0100 From: Matthias Buelow <mkb@incubus.de> To: Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I need a cuppa... Message-ID: <41EAFA51.8090207@incubus.de> In-Reply-To: <41EAA854.1040500@mac.com> References: <20050115210617.A20158@starfire.mn.org> <20050116041626.GB13042@osiris.chen.org.nz> <41E9F612.5030901@taborandtashell.net> <20050115233404.B20530@starfire.mn.org> <20050116060442.GA847@osiris.chen.org.nz> <41EA0B3F.3030209@incubus.de> <41EAA854.1040500@mac.com>
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Chuck Swiger wrote: >> Even Apple doesn't show up in their radar... what do you expect. > This is untrue. > The Mac Runtime for Java is a high-priority environment for both Apple When I go to java.sun.com, I can download the jdk for: Linux, Windows, Solaris. That's what I meant. >> Java is as proprietary as it gets. (Unfortunately many of us need it.) > Nonsense. While Java isn't OSI Open Source compliant, it's more open > than anything which *doesn't* come with the sources included. Proprietary is proprietary. Java is not standardized, Sun has an iron clutch on it (you can't name a reimplementation "Java[tm]"), and, in contrast to Sun's marketing spindoctors, it's a rather unportable environment (not the least due to Sun's licensing policy). So what's "open" there? The fact that you may download it without license fees for a selected few systems, and that they document their product? mkb.
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