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Date:      Wed, 8 May 2002 17:02:15 -0400
From:      Coleman Kane <cokane@one.net>
To:        Joerg Micheel <joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz>
Cc:        Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@starjuice.net>, Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org>, Michael Smith <msmith@mass.dis.org>, hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: It's not fun anymore. (Mike resigns from core)
Message-ID:  <20020508170215.A15872@shell.one.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020509073441.A5281@cs.waikato.ac.nz>; from joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:34:41AM %2B1200
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Who knows, perhaps between Mike and Jordan leaving and the atmosphere that
surrounds all of this trouble, it may bring up leadership from some of the
younger community to actually do something real nice for the project. I first
started working on the project about three or so years ago, got commit status
actually recommended by Mike of all people and have been helping out in my 
spare time (between school and work). I started using the OS back when 2.2.8
came out and fell in love with it instantly, which I sure is true of many
others soon after their initial install of FreeBSD. Heck, at UC we changed the
Linux Users' Group to the Free OS Users' group due to the number of staunch
BSD advocates and users who were active members. Anyway, I don't really 
believe the whole 'FreeBSD is dead' crap that has been circulating, with the
quickly growing user base and the increase in developer support this is a
setback for the group, but it will live on, at least as long as there is a
significant community backing it up. When we all vote for Core this time, it
will be for a new set of representatives for the group. Perhaps this time it
will bring together new faces and ideas for the future of the project.

Anyway Mike, it was great to have a developer of your caliber on the core team,
but I can identify with the problems that arise when procedural and political
work begins to conflict with the coding work that one is working on. Hope you
haven't been too turned off to the point of dropping out alltogether. Try not
to let the personal attacks get to you.

Thats my 2 cents, 

--
coleman kane

Thus spoke Joerg Micheel <joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz>, and it was proclaimed:

> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 06:29:10PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 May 2002 10:00:12 -0400, Robert Watson wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, I think I speak for everyone in the project when I say that we're
> > > sorry to hear that you are resigning from the core team, [...]
> > 
> > Nope, you don't speak for me.  I'm thrilled that Mike's leaving the core
> > team.  His heart's obviously not in it any more, so the fact that he has
> > all the right skills for being useful on core doesn't mean anything any
> > more.
> 
> It sounds like it is people like you who have been giving Mike a hard
> time. It also appears that you haven't learned a iota from this whole
> incident. Honestly, I would have rather you had kept your mouth shut
> and listened, this is not the time to spread your evil ink, but sit down
> and ponder about what went wrong here.
> 
> I am not impressed.
> 	Joerg
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