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Date:      Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:40:47 -0400
From:      Ken Smith <kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU>
To:        jason andrade <jason@rtfmconsult.com>
Cc:        Ken Smith <kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU>
Subject:   Re: 4.9-RC1 (i386) available on ftp-master
Message-ID:  <20031001134047.GG7856@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0310012153150.8835-100000@luna.rtfmconsult.com>
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On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:55:32PM +1000, jason andrade wrote:

> as ken has pointed out there are lots of mirrors that just try to
> grab everything and it's not smart for them to do so blindly.

Working on a compromise would be nice.  If what appears to have
happened is going to stand as-is a VERY nice thing happened.  We have
already distributed ports/i386/packages-4.9-release so one of the two
huge/painful transfers that would be associated with a 4.X release has
already happened.  I'm still new to watching over releases this closely
so I can't say for sure but I think this is relatively rare - I think
it's normal for the pre-release builds to just point to packages-4-stable
and the release packages got posted much closer to release day.  If
that is correct, thanks portmgr@ folks.  This should be a BIG help.

If just one isolated FTP server was used for the beta releases I would
be afraid that we would lose this aspect of a release and we would be
back to having the entire thing loaded onto ftp-master all at once six
hours before the Release announcement.  On the other hand as Jason
points out if re@'s expectations for the Betas/RC's are this "low" we
have just wasted a huge amount of bandwidth and disk space all over
the world.

> i'd also look at excluding RCs, Alphas and Beta releases from the
> archival system ken - comments ?

I have been talking about "archiving" on several mail lists and in
two different contexts so I'm going to try and say this as clearly
as possible but some of you might not understand it (sorry, I know
even that doesn't make sense).  As far as the FreeBSD-Archive site
is concerned it will contain only release bits, it will not contain
any of the RC's, alpha releases, beta releases, snapshots, etc.
Some of the people receiving this will have heard me talking about
archiving stuff on ftp-master before it gets removed from the main
site.  I will be archiving everything that I propose be removed
from the main site including beta releases, etc to /home/archive
on ftp-master.  However after some time period (six months?) the
non-release stuff would be a candidate for being removed whenever
we get to the point /home on ftp-master starts to get a bit full.

-- 
						Ken Smith
- From there to here, from here to      |       kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu
  there, funny things are everywhere.   |
                      - Theodore Geisel |



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