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Date:      Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:40:02 -0700
From:      Nate Williams <nate@rocky.sri.MT.net>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
Cc:        grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey), hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: More nits 
Message-ID:  <199511011940.MAA15296@rocky.sri.MT.net>
In-Reply-To: <844.815252532@time.cdrom.com>
References:  <199511011144.MAA20446@allegro.lemis.de> <844.815252532@time.cdrom.com>

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> > 1. If a CD-ROM is specified in /etc/fstab, and there is no CD in the
> >    drive, the mount will fail and rc will abort.  This doesn't make
> >    much sense, especially for people who don't understand the
> >    background.
> > 
> >    I'd like some feedback on whether you would like to change this,
> >    since otherwise I need to talk about it in my book.
> 
> This is a known bug, and it would appear that nobody is particularly
> keen to change it.  I beat my chest about it several times and
> everybody involved just sort of waffled on it until the subject died
> down again.  Until then, I may just take the automount of the CDROM
> out of /etc/fstab and have people do it by hand.  I hate this, but I
> lack the time to go fix whatever stupidity it is in our system that
> prevents the system from coming up whenever a CDROM isn't in the
> drive.  Unless we fix it, /cdrom is coming out of the default fstab
> in 2.1.  Better a system that comes up without a CDROM rather than
> one that doesn't!

How about adding the noauto flag to the entry so that it won't get used
on bootup.


> > 3. I'd like to see a few more things on the standard installation.
> >    Linux "everything" really does install everything; FreeBSD
> >    "everything" misses out things which I consider essential, such as
> >    bash, less and emacs.

First of all, the standard pager in FreeBSD (more) is really less with
the defaults changed to behave like the old more, so you probably don't
need it.  Second of all, I would never install emacs on my machine and
would consider it a waste of disk space.  And, I use tcsh so I have no
need of bash.  However, if you can think of an easy way of pointing
folks to the 'standard' packages such as these I think Jordan would be
willing to do the work if it isn't too hard.

> > 4. shutdown no longer needs the -f option.  Fine, but it could ignore
> >    it (or print a warning) rather than failing if it gets it.
> 
> Hmm..

Double hmm....  It'd sure be easy to ignore it though..

> Huh?  Eh?  Are you sure?  For one thing, the visual editor isn't even
> *in* the bootstrap, it's in the kernel!  I use the same kernel for
> both floppy and disk

Actually, you *don't* use the same kernel for the floppy, since the
floppy kernel contains the MFS image, while the disk kernel doesn't
contain it.  It is possible (although improbable) that the disk kernel
didn't get rebuilt.

> > 8. sysconfig waits until you commit before asking what kind of
> >    bootstrap manager you want to use.  I think it should belong in the
> >    partition editor.  Please tell me if you change this one, since I
> >    need to document it.
> 
> I think you're right.  Hmmm.  I will have it ask you when you leave
> the editor, 'k?  What do the others think?

I agree.


Nate



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