Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:17:43 +1300 From: Craig Carey <snowfall@gmx.co.uk> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Blocking addresses of non-spammers; bug reporting Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030313162831.04640760@pop.qsi.net.nz>
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I request that there be some reasoning in the documentation that explains
why it is impossible to get a bug report into the FreeBSD systems using
a webpage.
I suggest that the public would be so suspicious of the purpose of the
FreeBSD project in making its bug report system harder to access.
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The postmaster is blocking all e-mail from my research@ijs.co.nz
e-mail address. People complaining at freebsd-chat about this.
The exact problem I have is that Mr Bresler was not replying to
my requests for reasoning, but must have been reading some since
he did actually get a reply out when I said I would comment on the
ups and downs of purging out good e-mail addresses with which there
is no known problem and certainly nothing that would make it into
the light of day.
When I send e-mail to majordomo@freebsd.org. or to the bug report
system, it vanishes. The black-hole-ing deletion seems to be built
over matching only on the "From:" header. My address was OK until
14 August 2000. Probably Mr Bresler does not like something I wrote
on the Internet. I probably never wrote on FreeBSD to cause the
problem.
I considered writing to the GNU and/or Linux and/or NetBSD spam
controllers. Unfortunately they could cast any light even with a
carefully held candle, into the darkest least reasonable upper
parts of the FreeBSD project.
NetBSD is not blocking my e-mail address.
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Here is the only comment I got from Mr Bresler. It tried to present
the postmaster as a person who was unaware that messages vanish on
the way to majordomo@freebsd, because he configured the servers/etc
to do exactly that.
At 2002\10\18 07:29 -0700 Friday, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
>
>> My e-mail address is research@ijs.c---o.nz.
>>
>> If you have a dislike of that e-mail address then I request that
>> that information (no matter in how bad a shape it is) be provided
>> to me.
>
> we accept email from your address:
>
>bash-2.04# host freebsd.org
That is FreeBSD's own official response.
The rest of the message of Mr Bresler was omitted and it shows how
he concluded that my e-mail address seems to run fine. At the
end he offered a proven dud e-mail address for me to contact him
at: postmaster@freebsd.org. I am not impressed with that address
since Mr Bresler is as silent as a spider until I assert that I
would put a webpage online commenting on his conduct in this matter.
----
The chat list recently got a message from "Janet" on a topic
of 'lengthening' just after these three wrote:
John Baldwin, Terry Lambert, and Mark Murray.
If I don't get some relief from the plight of being associated
from people that causing spam, then this could have been
worthwhile. I am considering putting up a webpage showing the
correlation between who writes and what types of junk mail
follows.
A hypothesis is that if Mr Bresler writes, then some of the
following spam or messages might be on FreeBSD. FreeBSD is the
project where the postmaster is officially unaware of the
existence of the spam control system. It is not much different
for the victims of the spam who are also not sure that Mr
Jonathan M Bresler is implement blocking procedures, against
targets where it looks like spamming is a threat or a fact.
Since I was not posting on 14 August 2002 and messages also
were not bouncing, there postmaster does not seem to have any
facts available that could be used as pretext. I guess that
FreeBSD postmaster (Mr Jonathan M Bresler) either obeys
instructions or else browses around in search of awful findings
about members. I would like to have the findings out in the
public lists here, and I suppose the grounds as well as the
reasoning is simply not available from the FreeBSD postmaster.
Janet's message and the surrounding messages of March 2003:
http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2003/freebsd-chat/20030309.freebsd-chat.html
Obviously the spam control software is not as bright as the
portsclean software. Though it seems to have never occurred to the
FreeBSD project, it occurred to me: the messages would fail a pattern
match and then a individual would decide upon the message.
Any quantity of spam could be preferred over a system where
Mr Jonathan M Bresler is making decisions messages by message.
Maybe Janet Lee answers question.
She/he could have a better purpose: e.g. wanted to profit from the
FreeBSD mailing lists. Here is her message.
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>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:50:47 GMT
>From: "Janet Lee" <connects@korea.com>
>To: freebs@hotmail.com
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>Message-ID: <ML370cgukvo8CEtr8r300057338@ml370.lantelligent.net>
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My privacy rights have been harmed by Mr Bresler - I argue that he
was well positioned to be a person who had grounds for the decision
to block my e-mail address and purge me on 14 August 2002. Grounds
are a material part of the reasoning and I didn't get any even
though requesting them.
Here is my second message to Mr Bresler using the address he
recommended that I use. Since it is from a not-blocked e-mail
address, Mr Bresler almost certainly read it. But not reply whatsoever
came back. One has to postively criticize the postmaster at some
public place before a reply will come back. But since the reply was
untrue or misleading the force must have been far less than what the
unwritten postmaster office protocol would impose.
>At 2002\10\17 03:23 +1300 Thursday, Craig Carey wrote:
To: postmaster@FreeBSD.org
From: Snowfall <snowfall@gmx.co.uk>
>
>
>
>Hello
>
>My e-mail address got unsubscribed from all FreeBSD mailing lists in
>about 14 August 2002.
>
>I make this request to the person that entired FreeBSD operation
> and to yourself, and whoever runs the postmaster@freebsd.org
> complaints service:
>
> Why am I unable to get any message from the mailing list server
> system and yourself ?. I request the reasoning for the decision
> that was made in August 2002. This is not a request for an
> explanation of what went wrong with your decision making in
> August, but just the reasoning.
>
> So far I have not received any information from FreeBSD that is
> reasoning. I have no reasoning.
>
>My e-mail address is research@ijs.c---o.nz.
>
>If you have a dislike of that e-mail address then I request that
>that information (no matter in how bad a shape it is) be provided
>to me.
>
>The FreeBSD server stopped sending e-mail to my e-mail address on
>about 14 Aug 2002 06:51:27 -0000. I was subscribed to
>FreeBSD-Questions and that was the date of the last message that
>I received.
>
>The request above is for reasoning and thus unable your records
>should have the information of the exact [sic] reasoning that was
>used on that date.
>
>You may explain to me if you wish to write to me. Also we may
>consider [t]he topic of whether you or others wish to allow
>read-only access for my e-mail address whilst not allowing write
>access.
>
>Please put your name in your e-mail address responding to this
>e-mail message that I write.
>
>I do not request a correction to the configuration, i.e to the
>blocking.
>
>Please correct your procedures so that they are made to be fair.
>It is a principles of law that decisions may be overturned if
>they are not accompanied with reasoning. I don't know what
>country you are in so write more on that.
>
>
>Craig Car--ey [<-- not sure how good your scanning filters are]
>Auckland
>New Zealand
I never got a reply to that and to other following messages.
____________________________________________________________________
The message I wrote implies that the main aim of Mr Bresler was
NOT to block e-mail I send to FreeBSD.
Instead since I can't have read only access to the FreeBSD
mailing lists [note that was a message from snowfall@gmx.co.uk,
which Mr Bresler is allowing], the aim must be to block out
going e-mail. Thus the members of the lists were not being
defended. Presumably would not make use of some read only feature
of majordomo even if it was available. Again all I know is that
the FreeBSD has bad suggestions and no reasoning despite being
attacked with messages asking the same question: why?, what
were the facts?.
Spam control is not really what the spam control system is about.
It is more about falsely saying that there is no blocking.
>
> we accept email from your address:
>
That is as good as it gets here at FreeBSD after many messages
to Mr Bresler. What trashy English: the "W" is not written using
an upper case letter. Mr Bresler is a little variant in not
putting a hyphen into the word "e-mail". If Mr Bresler does not
know how to spell the word "e-mail", then maybe he would be so
gracious as to stand down and reapply later.
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