Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com> To: Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG>, Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RE: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up! Message-ID: <200108272318.f7RNIGu26916@earth.backplane.com> References: <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010827171913.45914N-100000@fledge.watson.org>
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:I'm not fundamentally opposed to KSE: I would like to see it in the system
:as much as you, and am quite aware of the potential benefits. I just want
:to make sure we don't go three years without a stable release to get
:there. If the answer to the questions is either fine, or addressible,
:...
:
:Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
:robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services
I think if KSE goes in (in the next couple of weeks, on Julian's timeline
with reasonable, but not excessive additional testing), I will personally
be a much happier camper in regards to working on -current. To me it will
be a real turning point for the project -- the last 'big' piece of
technology we promised ourselves we would get in. And I have
been and will continue to be available to help track down and work out
bugs in that work, and in other work.
The single biggest problem -current faces right now is in unwinding
Giant. It is an even larger problem then people think, I think. Because
Giant still surrounds nearly all the running code there are almost
certainly dozens of bugs that will come out of the woodwork as Giant
gets moved inward. Hell, maybe I shouldn't be working on the VM system
at all right now... maybe I should be working on mutexing data structures
in order to move Giant inward. e.g. filesystem and I/O paths. The VM
code is the hardest piece, it should probably be saved for last. We
are not going to truely be able to stabilize -current until Giant is
mostly gone.
-Matt
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