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Date:      Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:32:11 -0800 (PST)
From:      Veggy Vinny <richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
To:        Randy Terbush <randy@zyzzyva.com>
Cc:        David Greenman <dg@Root.COM>, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Chad Shackley <chad@gaianet.net>
Subject:   Re: Decision in Router Purchase 
Message-ID:  <Pine.PTX.3.95.961114142937.6675l-100000@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
In-Reply-To: <199611142217.QAA18926@sierra.zyzzyva.com>

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On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Randy Terbush wrote:

> 
> > 	Hmmm okay....  Atleast it seems they are way better from the
> > sounds of it than our current provider PBI.Net which uses AGIS.Net as the
> > backbone and refuses to peer with anyone.  I guess from what you are
> > saying, it seems like they are a company that atleast is upgrading as time
> > goes on.  As for the >75% packet loss on their backbone, which sites for
> > example were you connecting to?  SprintLink is even worst after all the
> > Northern UC Campuses went into a SMDS cloud and out one DS3 to their
> > Stockton hub, we've been getting 95% packet loss after the switch from
> > BBNPlanet to SprintLink 2 weeks ago.  Thanks for the info though.  We've
> > been doing our research and found that MCI, Sprint, PBI/AGIS are the ones
> > to stay away from.  
> > 
> > Vince
> 
> Just for my own edification...
> 
> It often seems that MCI,Sprint get a bad rap. I'm not an employee
> or stockholder, but if I'm not mistaken it would be my _rough_ guess that
> between these two providers, they are carring probably 80% of the traffic
> on the net (remember, that was a guess).

	They are but they are proven to have high packet loss rates...

> By "staying away from" these two giants, what do you gain?

	Performance...

> Doesn't your traffic eventually get handled by them?

	Well, UCBerkeley used to be with BBNPlanet and is on SprintLink...
All the traffic lags at the SprintLink Stockton MAE-WEST hub and is
experiencing packet loss and this is a DS3 connection directly to
stockton.

> Don't you stand a better chance of getting your traffic routed
> if you are a customer of Sprint or MCI?

	Not really.  ANS.Net is big too....  AlterNet is as well.

> >From an occasional glance at things, it would seem that _most_ of the
> Sprint/MCI problems I see are with border routers not handling the
> traffic that needs to get on their backbones.

	Not really because this was from Sprintlink to a Sprintlink site
and if that doesn't work well then how can you expect it to work well for
other things?

Vince
GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin






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