Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 15:50:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Ren=E9_Ladan?= <r.c.ladan@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-translators@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PO translations of books Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1510271548240.30143@wonkity.com> In-Reply-To: <CADL2u4hqkhPvB=fSNUDaBhoAe8kKWiguRbU3y7rt8CmES7XMJg@mail.gmail.com> References: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1509041829390.32741@wonkity.com> <CADL2u4g85ydYG_EvoNcbvKh6NTnv51Bbh9jgsbn521GJEqCvuw@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1510271437580.30143@wonkity.com> <CADL2u4hqkhPvB=fSNUDaBhoAe8kKWiguRbU3y7rt8CmES7XMJg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, René Ladan wrote: > 2015-10-27 21:42 GMT+01:00 Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>: >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, René Ladan wrote: >> >>> 2015-09-05 2:39 GMT+02:00 Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>: >>>> >>>> So far, there have been several successes at translating the leap seconds >>>> article. >>>> >>>> Has anyone started a PO translation of a book yet? It would be nice to >>>> get >>>> some feedback about how well the process works for books with separate >>>> chapters. >>>> >>> I just tried that with the FDP Primer, which consists of multiple XML >>> files. It looks like 'make po' does it job fine (with some patches to >>> doc.docbook.mk from wblock) but 'make tran' writes everything into >>> book.xml instead of preserving the original file structure (in which >>> book.xml contains mostly references to the other files). >>> >>> This would probably not matter in case we consider the generated >>> book.xml as an intermediate file. >> >> >> Right. And it is pretty much required for the PO process. The only way to >> extract a PO is to "normalize" the original XML into a single file, which >> includes all the chapter files (which are entities themselves). >> >> I don't think we can keep the original structure, but yes, if we consider >> the generated XML file as an intermediate, we don't have to worry about the >> format of that file. >> > One thing though: the final makes traverses through all the referenced > XML files, because Makefile still says so, so that file has to be > modifed too. The Makefile in the translated directory, right? Yes. I included a couple of examples in the PO chapter, but that is something we probably should expand. Tell people what it needs and why. SRCS can be just the one file, I'm not certain it needs to even list the images unless there a translated images. (That has not happened yet, ever, as far as I know.) From owner-freebsd-translators@freebsd.org Tue Oct 27 22:09:56 2015 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-translators@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-translators@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD89A1D88B for <freebsd-translators@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:09:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4034E108A for <freebsd-translators@freebsd.org>; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:09:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: by obbza9 with SMTP id za9so65365000obb.1 for <freebsd-translators@freebsd.org>; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 15:09:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EMoXA93D8Lz6wFk8nKYv7iU5AISbBgeoy2Q3WZJueDw=; b=tiPuu7OuqrOOxnswJf1FrOYLdUgTSWCrYYbmysEi8fTJSzC//DDQaHBPgbSG/lKoI1 v6r2AxfKMUSvEmzlN7tEdAVK9/DFJEWHOxKa16hYHCJUm4giBnP/3EdvQGgA9B5TWKE4 9B9LJCsYJPhAbK5RY/uDVLHkdO7rRTJRe3Sj0vx1IiGU03cEsczBocTo2L0VJkCXmmd8 TUR4MsGQjnnzMghilRzbvaEBedmFcKcgrbnH2k9kNWx86qkY23odYdrxy1rAri8Opo5S lOTnoj2n0OhK1LaKEyC3LlWplYIsmOKJRCYLbCzRhTmXdP5zys9hrCtHsm0LSK/jHLAi OgNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.28.199 with SMTP id d7mr29123730obh.31.1445983795620; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 15:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.73.74 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 15:09:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1510271548240.30143@wonkity.com> References: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1509041829390.32741@wonkity.com> <CADL2u4g85ydYG_EvoNcbvKh6NTnv51Bbh9jgsbn521GJEqCvuw@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1510271437580.30143@wonkity.com> <CADL2u4hqkhPvB=fSNUDaBhoAe8kKWiguRbU3y7rt8CmES7XMJg@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1510271548240.30143@wonkity.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 23:09:55 +0100 Message-ID: <CADL2u4j7f6dG-e6n-xjyA=zP2jqjaJLNT753R-uZNTMDk2jKnw@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: PO translations of books From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9_Ladan?= <r.c.ladan@gmail.com> To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> Cc: freebsd-translators@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-translators@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Translators <freebsd-translators.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-translators>, <mailto:freebsd-translators-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-translators/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-translators@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-translators-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-translators>, <mailto:freebsd-translators-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:09:56 -0000 2015-10-27 22:50 GMT+01:00 Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Ren=C3=A9 Ladan wrote: > >> 2015-10-27 21:42 GMT+01:00 Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>: >>> >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Ren=C3=A9 Ladan wrote: >>> >>>> 2015-09-05 2:39 GMT+02:00 Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So far, there have been several successes at translating the leap >>>>> seconds >>>>> article. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone started a PO translation of a book yet? It would be nice = to >>>>> get >>>>> some feedback about how well the process works for books with separat= e >>>>> chapters. >>>>> >>>> I just tried that with the FDP Primer, which consists of multiple XML >>>> files. It looks like 'make po' does it job fine (with some patches to >>>> doc.docbook.mk from wblock) but 'make tran' writes everything into >>>> book.xml instead of preserving the original file structure (in which >>>> book.xml contains mostly references to the other files). >>>> >>>> This would probably not matter in case we consider the generated >>>> book.xml as an intermediate file. >>> >>> >>> >>> Right. And it is pretty much required for the PO process. The only wa= y >>> to >>> extract a PO is to "normalize" the original XML into a single file, whi= ch >>> includes all the chapter files (which are entities themselves). >>> >>> I don't think we can keep the original structure, but yes, if we consid= er >>> the generated XML file as an intermediate, we don't have to worry about >>> the >>> format of that file. >>> >> One thing though: the final makes traverses through all the referenced >> XML files, because Makefile still says so, so that file has to be >> modifed too. > > > The Makefile in the translated directory, right? Indeed. > Yes. I included a couple > of examples in the PO chapter, but that is something we probably should > expand. Tell people what it needs and why. SRCS can be just the one fil= e, > I'm not certain it needs to even list the images unless there a translate= d > images. (That has not happened yet, ever, as far as I know.) For simple digits as in the FDP Primer 'make' is indeed fine without IMAGES_LIB being defined. Regards, Ren=C3=A9
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