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Date:      Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:55:03 -0700 (MST)
From:      "M. Warner Losh" <imp@village.org>
To:        cliff@raggedclown.net
Cc:        stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness
Message-ID:  <20020128.095503.08646553.imp@village.org>
In-Reply-To: <20020128145517.GB1907@raggedclown.net>
References:  <20020128064925.GA1180@raggedclown.net> <20020128135643.GH33952@madman.nectar.cc> <20020128145517.GB1907@raggedclown.net>

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            Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> writes:
: > Or perhaps there has been no effective case made for a change.
: > 
: In your opinion.
: The case has been made, clearly and coherently.
: In my opinion.
: Opinions are wonderful things.
: People hold onto them so dearly, and proclaim them so loudly :)
: It is clear that the current situation is a) satisfactory to the
: old-guard who don't want even the smallest detail changed and 
: b)unsatisfactory to dumb newcomers who are asking that something
: makes sense (sense in the English Language).

You'll notice that nectar (who is my boss on the security-officer@
list) said he missed the original, exact description of the change.
Maybe you could restate it for him, plus the justification.  I know
that you are getting frustrated with this, but he's the right person
to talk to.

Warner

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