Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:46:50 -0500 From: Will Andrews <will@physics.purdue.edu> To: David O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Will Andrews <will@physics.purdue.edu>, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, asami@FreeBSD.ORG, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: We seriously need a cleanup on ftp-master Message-ID: <20010507164650.J3246@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> In-Reply-To: <20010507144618.A12252@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:46:18PM -0700 References: <20010507125604P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010507163119.H3246@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <20010507144618.A12252@dragon.nuxi.com>
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On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:46:18PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote:
> On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:31:19PM -0500, Will Andrews wrote:
> > Yes, I'd say remove all package sets prior to the last two releases, and
> > keep ongoing package sets for -stable and -current.
>
> Should we think more carefully about this? We have users that install a
> release and stick with it for a long time. But they still like to be
> able to install packages with minimal effort. Do we want to break these
> case? I guess this is one argument for having `pkg_add -r' use
> package-<branch>-stable rather than package-<release>.
Yes, but if you move the bits to FreeBSD-archive, they can just reset
the prefix of their installs and/or use PACKAGESITE. Moving all the
bits corresponding to a specific release will make it painless (should
someone want to install an older release, sysinstall won't get confused
by missing bits whether it be packages or distributions).
> If we don't want to mirror one snapshot, then why are we in FTP mirroring
> business? Does NetBSD send you all over the place to get bits?
> We laugh at Linux because they do cause you have to have to all over the
> place for bits. Is diskspace really *that* big of an issue? Should we
> take up donations for disks? I thought BW was the real issue, and the
> popularity of certain files, not their size is the issue there.
>
> BTW, releng{4,5}.freebsd.org exist because they are the snapshot builders.
> There was no reason to not offer FTP access to them on the local machine
> since they were built there. This is not the case with the Alpha snapshots.
> AFAIK, they were never intended to replace ftp.freebsd.org. JKH has kept
> a "stable" -current snapshot on ftp.freebsd.org for quite some time.
OK.
> Why?? People need these.
>
> Maybe we should discuss just what our purpose in offering an FTP site is
> for. Is it just to get the latest release bits?
Er.. I didn't say remove them, I said put them in FreeBSD-archive
instead.
I simply think it's inconvenient for mirror operators to host bits that
are not obtained even one-tenth of 1% of the time as the newest
releases/packages. Not everyone has 50GB of disk space to dedicate
to FreeBSD, and I don't see a reason to expect that. :)
--
wca
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