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Date:      Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:43:32 -0700
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: merging win95 and nt filesystem changes into msdosfs
Message-ID:  <199802111943.MAA29812@mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <199802111933.MAA08353@usr07.primenet.com>
References:  <199802111749.KAA29341@mt.sri.com> <199802111933.MAA08353@usr07.primenet.com>

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Terry Lambert writes:
> > > I admit that I have fallen down on providing architecture documents
> > > to Nate; however, I have provided him with some information, and the
> > > main complaint was that it was too low level and assumed too much
> > > knowledge.  I have to assume *some* knowledge.
> > 
> > What you provided to me was a political document riddled with 'this is
> > why I did this', and what I asked for was a technical document that
> > explained *what* you were doing, not why.
> 
> I provided you with a technical document, and you had me cut it
> down until it was a fluff piece.

No, I had you explain everything to bring it down to an audience that
hadn't been doing 'FS design and implementation for over 10 years.'

> You either want an architecture document, or you don't. 

I wanted you to explain the issues behind the FS, so that *I* (and
others) could understand the current design, and then understand why it
was lacking.

> You were
> asking me to defend my design decisions in such a way as to give
> so little information that they would appear to be bad decisions.

No I wasn't.  The implication all along was 'FS 101', so that I and a
number of other folks could be brought up to speed on FS design, and
*AFTER* we understood the basic terminology and such we could be shown
the current system and then *AFTER* what was wrong with it and then
*AFTER* we could see how your patches fixed it.

>From the *beginning* it was called FS 101, not 'Why Terry's patches
should go into FreeBSD'.

I've heard alot of reason why your patches should go into FreeBSD from a
political point of view, and even architectural at times when I took the
time to wade through the rhetoric, but not *ONCE* have you explained the
basics.  Other may understand the basics, but I and many others don't,

If you aren't willing to do that, then don't say you are.  If you want,
I can't dig up the public email you sent saying you were willing to
'teach' people about FS.  Teaching != Preaching, and the document you
sent me was a sermon, not a technical document.

I've got megabytes of FS sermons from you on-line in my mail archives,
so I don't need any more.  What I am willing to do is 'learn', so that
you and I both get something out of this.  You get your patches
integrated *AND* an advocate.  What I get is knowledge on what I
consider to be an extremely interesting topic (which I had planned to do
my Master's on until my current job stole me away.;)



Nate

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