Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:34:19 +0100 From: Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com> To: Bryan Drewery <bryan@shatow.net> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, "Simon J. Gerraty" <sjg@juniper.net> Subject: Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program Message-ID: <CADLo83_DHJB1BMMscMYQxinqQjSKmboadA3pi=zhrQzf5%2Bx7MQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <508BF062.8020101@shatow.net> References: <201210020750.23358.jhb@freebsd.org> <201210021037.27762.jhb@freebsd.org> <CAGH67wQffjVHqFw_eN=mfeg-Ac2Z6XBT5Hv72ev0kjjx7YH7SA@mail.gmail.com> <127FA63D-8EEE-4616-AE1E-C39469DDCC6A@xcllnt.net> <20121025211522.GA32636@dragon.NUXI.org> <3F52B7C9-A7B7-4E0E-87D0-1E67FE5D0BA7@xcllnt.net> <CAGH67wRw_n2_KwVz=DZkMpeJ4t8mMf965nxehHsDV-mzTnn5cA@mail.gmail.com> <CADLo839EUTF9bP8VD3L1_boY8i-w8B87yHGRR7Zx6wONFnSnEQ@mail.gmail.com> <20121025221244.GG3808@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20121026181152.GC44331@dragon.NUXI.org> <CADLo838vSnYm3LMr_6maQipAYtBTX%2BCCyEhC053cj_amgNJH=g@mail.gmail.com> <CADLo83-d0tDN8k5Lv9c5=6vQawVHSHZENfTpKzxe61OYqqxSeA@mail.gmail.com> <20121026204910.E1FFA58094@chaos.jnpr.net> <CADLo8383Y823kqKgBLHfx9CdCDuZQgVQSYwfuWq_29Hq7cYv=Q@mail.gmail.com> <20121026233225.54FB858094@chaos.jnpr.net> <CADLo839LZOdMp%2B%2B3PnbN91%2B5Lfzvm=_GNRRfVdVATYcXm9BVJg@mail.gmail.com> <CADLo838geLFZT4EH8sPuichUn8cw7D8pBQOgiQbEu2BCuTDwiw@mail.gmail.com> <508BF062.8020101@shatow.net>
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On 27 October 2012 15:32, Bryan Drewery <bryan@shatow.net> wrote: > On 10/27/2012 8:23 AM, Chris Rees wrote: >> [trim CC list a little to stop people regretting replying to this thread] >> >> On 27 October 2012 10:15, Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 27 Oct 2012 00:35, "Simon J. Gerraty" <sjg@juniper.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:02:00 +0100, Chris Rees writes: >>>>> In that case we have a switch time on the order of years, not weeks; 8.3 >>>>> is >>>>> supported until May '14, and unless we get a :tl etc MFC into 8, even >>>>> longer. All this time the ports tree must work with pmake. >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure I was told it is already in 8 and 7 >>> >>> Not in 8.3 at least: >>> >>> svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.3/usr.bin/make/var.c?view=log >>> >>>>> I don't want to discourage you or belittle your excellent work here, but >>>>> Marcel made me very nervous with his comment on the process being "a few >>>>> weeks". >>>> >>>> That was based on discussions at the last devsummit. >>> >>> These discussions need backing up with a real roadmap, including detail on >>> exactly what 8.3 and 7.4 users will have to do to ensure that the ports tree >>> still works. >>> >>> I don't see where these considerations have been made. >> >> OK, so how about this. >> >> We (ab)use the security update mechanism to merge the pmake changes >> (:tl and :tu) into releng/7.4 and releng/8.3 (possibly the earlier >> releng branches such as 7.3, 8.2, 9.0). We could then send out a >> message on ports-announce, giving a few weeks' notice that the change >> to bsd.port.mk is going through and that users need the latest >> 'security' patches. > > This "weeks" is making a assumptions that users 1. reads ports@ or 2. > Update to security/errata patches in a timely manner or 3. Read UPDATING Quite. This should be at least a few months, otherwise we're making unreasonable requests of our users, and yet again annoy them by breaking older versions-- this time with no real benefit for end-users. Chris
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