Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:38:51 -0600 From: John Marino <freebsd.contact@marino.st> To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> Cc: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Boris Samorodov <bsam@passap.ru>, "ports@FreeBSD.org Ports" <ports@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Subscription for committer Message-ID: <a36e7f48-8e94-2903-860f-9703614f56b3@marino.st> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1612192223470.18028@wonkity.com> References: <b21222a1-4940-1a44-0693-8c7803798a58@marino.st> <20161217193514.GA22107@lonesome.com> <ef894560-2bf7-919d-5de2-dd92c9bfe476@marino.st> <cffaad8d-705c-de7a-1087-3dfb2f1c590c@passap.ru> <dfd5d40b-a1e6-1fdc-d55c-0f133e715915@marino.st> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1612191629070.94020@wonkity.com> <c8521390-3d71-e720-d59b-e052524beed3@marino.st> <20161220022257.GA30196@lonesome.com> <23944cf2-852b-ef5b-7837-dfb084c2f32d@marino.st> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1612192223470.18028@wonkity.com>
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On 12/20/2016 18:39, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016, John Marino wrote: > >> On 12/19/2016 20:22, Mark Linimon wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 07:07:06PM -0600, John Marino wrote: >>>> It's a natural reaction to stop attempting to contribute when previous >>>> contributions don't get "attention they deserve". >>> >>> Which some people (including me) see as odds with: >>> >>>> the impression that portmaster is officially recommended [has] to be >>>> stamped out >>> >>> People tend to put off working on topics that include "demands". >>> >>> It's just human nature. >>> >>> Plus, there are thousands of other PRs to work on that don't involve >>> such >>> charged language. Working on those is more rewarding and less >>> frustrating. >> >> It was decided that any implied recommendation for portupgrade and >> portmaster in FreeBSD documentation has to be removed. > > Obviously there is some disagreement on this point, as this long, > multiply-broken, renamed thread has shown. It wasn't up for discussion; portmgr made the decision on it and said it should be done. > >> The docs people are aware of the decision and are charged to implement >> it. > > As volunteers, committers are free to choose the work they want to do. Then give me authority to commit to documentation. This excuse is easily defused. >> It's not "my" demand. If valid PRs are in a moving queue, fine. If >> valid PRs are being conveniently and intentionally forgotten, I would >> say that's not fine. > > There is no queue. Volunteers choose the work they want to do. I am reluctant to point out the elephant in the room, but I think you know what I'm thinking. > >> and mcl: I challenge you to identify *ANY* offputting language in PR >> 214679. You can't just imply that it exists when it doesn't. > > There has been plenty of off-putting language outside of that PR > referring back to it, including some a few lines above. These are far > beyond demotivational. More of the same will not have a different effect. > > My apologies for extending this already too-long thread. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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