Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:59:30 -0800 (PST) From: Simon Shapiro <shimon@simon-shapiro.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> Cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, aryder@bestweb.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG, kong@kkk.ml.org, Alex Nash <nash@mcs.net> Subject: Re: Making world today Message-ID: <XFMail.980111015930.shimon@simon-shapiro.org> In-Reply-To: <11733.884504253@time.cdrom.com>
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On 11-Jan-98 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> Seems that way. Maybe we should start thinking about how to eliminate
>> these slips. We are gaining a reputation lately.
>
> It is the nature of -current to break occasionally and I would be no
> means wish to get so anal about this that the whole intention of
> -current was lost, namely to be a place to work out new stuff and,
> yes, occasionally break things in the process. That is why -current
> has always been a strictly no-warranty proposition with warning
> stickers stuck all over it. The complains we've been getting lately
> stem, I think, more from the fact that a lot of the wrong people are
> now running -current rather than any major instability there. Hell, I
> remember when running -current was a good way to lose *filesystems*
> and things have definitely come a hell of a long way from there. ;-)
>
> Jordan
As you no doubtedly noticed, I did say that FreeBSD is one of the best.
We all understand rather well the experimental nature of -current.
As there is absolutely no warranty on ANY version of FreeBSD, it is quite
clear that -current is less waranted than no warranty.
None of these should act as a license for careless checkin (which happens
by all admissions, from time to time). Neither should it impede the quest
for a better, more reliable environment and methodology.
As far as being ``far and long way from loosing filesystems'', I've got
news for you :-) Not that far:
a. My /usr/ports/distfiles is belived, by FSCK to have corrupt superblocks
where the forst copy does not match the second copy. This is a)
nonsense - they actually match, and b) a result of a -current crash.
b. I took this long to reply and still am up at this time, despite needing
to wake up at 0600, because of a -current crash that neatly and cleanly
removed ALL the files from /, kernels and all, and corrupted two
filesystems beyond repair.
These facts are NOT a bitch/complaint/moan. I am fully aware of the
consequences of using in-progress code. Just a light-hearted tease :-))
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Sincerely Yours,
Simon Shapiro
Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313
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